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Post by drs on Jan 17, 2008 7:59:27 GMT -5
It was a bad deal for the state, but just how much did the state pay for them deer and turkeys that we are killing. Its always been funny to me how the animals are the states until one jumps in front of your car. then its all yours. This Lifetime license WAS a VERY BAD deal for the State of Indiana!! This means there is less & less money comming in to the IDNR fior wildlife programs, which includes money to purchase additional public lands. You're right if a Deer jumps infront of your car, and you hit it it's your Deer! But you must obtain a road-kill tag to claim it.
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Post by turkeyscout on Jan 17, 2008 8:29:45 GMT -5
then what did happen to the millions of dollars that us sportsman sent in for lifetime licenses? ?? .... it must of been a good deal for d.n.r. at one time....or i am sure d.n.r. would not have lifetime licenses....so we have to pay for there (D.N.R.) mistake???.....we (sportsman) have been supporting d.n.r. all along. i am all for buying more public land,but its' not the sportmans fault that we supported a program they (d.n.r.) set-up!!!! ..just my two cents......turkey scout
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Post by drs on Jan 17, 2008 8:46:52 GMT -5
then what did happen to the millions of dollars that us sportsman sent in for lifetime licenses? ?? .... it must of been a good deal for d.n.r. at one time....or i am sure d.n.r. would not have lifetime licenses....so we have to pay for there (D.N.R.) mistake???.....we (sportsman) have been supporting d.n.r. all along. i am all for buying more public land,but its' not the sportmans fault that we supported a program they (d.n.r.) set-up!!!! ..just my two cents......turkey scout It might have looked good at first glance. The State must have made a lot of "quick" money from the sales of Lifetime Licenses. However, as we all know, most of that money was squandered, in a hurry and spent on things other than INDR needs. NOW the IDNR is in need of more money, and due to these Lifetime licenses they aren't going to get it. This mean less money to purchase public hunting grounds, and reduced funds for wildlife.
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Post by js2397 on Jan 17, 2008 10:20:46 GMT -5
Without the LL and landowner permits the state harvest would go down a lot. There will be a need to offer them agian as the older LL holders retire their guns. Without new LL holders to repkace the old ones the harvest will drop or the price of tags will have to decrease. Last year the LL and youth hunters accounted for 41% of the total harvest. Which is roughly 51406 deer. I would think that number would drop of quite a bit if those hunters were buying their tags.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 17, 2008 10:31:21 GMT -5
Without the LL and landowner permits the state harvest would go down a lot. There will be a need to offer them again as the older LL holders retire their guns. Without new LL holders to replace the old ones the harvest will drop or the price of tags will have to decrease. Last year the LL and youth hunters accounted for 41% of the total harvest. Which is roughly 51406 deer. I would think that number would drop of quite a bit if those hunters were buying their tags. You are spot on. I do not think that the DNR will ever want the LL to come back. Now, some politician might push for it, but it will undoubtedly take money away from the DNR. The lifetime license fund was not "squandered". It is in a set aside that the DNR can only withdraw a certain percentage and the interest. The interest rates haven't been all that high lately. Some years back the legislature tried to do a raid in the fund but that didn't happen. The very best that we can hope for is a yearly "Sportsman's License" This was on the list of things to do when Hupfer left the position of director. The DNR is in a quandary in that they need to raise money and kill deer at the same time. Raising the price of tags is counter productive to controlling the herd. If there were no present lifetime license holders and landowners then there would not be near as many deer killed each year.
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Post by indianahick on Jan 17, 2008 11:22:00 GMT -5
When I bought mine I think (maybe) I got a discount for being 55. As far as I am concerned it has paid for itself because I know that I would not have been able to afford all of the tags that go along with it and would have to choose what and where to cut back.
No I do not for see lifetime licenses being offered again, more than likely tag fees will be increased in order to maximize license income. Chances are there will be an even bigger increase in the cost of out of state licenses.
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Post by drs on Jan 17, 2008 11:25:49 GMT -5
Woody posted:
I agree. However I don't think there is all that many young people (under age 21) that are interested in the Sport of Hunting, for one reason or another. For example, I have a Nephew "Zach" who rather play hunt on a computer then actually go hunting. Many of his friends are like that too. It is vastly different, then when we were growning up, Woody. I am just wondering what is going to happen when the holders of Lifetime Licenses quit hunting, due to age or other reasons. An annual "Sportsman License" is a good Idea.
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Post by jgrimm on Jan 17, 2008 11:33:01 GMT -5
Got mine in 1993 for High School graduation present from my Mom and Dad. It has paid for itself a few times over.
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Post by songdog on Jan 20, 2008 23:07:46 GMT -5
Bought mine in the 80,s , 325.00 , I think . Maybe 350.00. Best deal I ever made.
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Post by dearbornx on Jan 22, 2008 7:44:37 GMT -5
I save over $100 a year in tags.
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Post by indianahick on Jan 23, 2008 10:30:05 GMT -5
I believe that DRS is correct about a lot of young people wanting to stay inside and play electronic games. Just walk around a subdivision. Back when I was young every kid was outside doing something. Now you go for a walk in the evening and you are almost alone, there may be a few out playing catch, basketball, etc but mostly it is quiet. I've talked to my grandson about going out and looking around he is not interested. Would rather play with his computer. His dad (my son) has hunted off and on for the last 10 years when his job gives a chance.
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Post by duff on Jan 24, 2008 10:21:14 GMT -5
Not sure I agree with Hick or DRS, I know several young kids that want to hunt, fish, and or trap. There are new hurdles no doubt but I just don't see the doom and gloom of it. Kids are kids some are ate up with sports, some computers, some bug, music and I just don't think any of that has changed, except for the available options.
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Post by hornharvester on Jan 24, 2008 10:25:06 GMT -5
The average age of hunters go up every year which means our youth are not involved with the sport or hunting. When older hunters quit or die fewer youth are replacing them. h.h.
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Post by hotshot on Jan 24, 2008 12:50:57 GMT -5
The downer and main reason for the LL being discontinued is that the USFWS doles out $$$ based on the number of hunters and fishermen licensed by the state. LL holders are not counted due to the trouble verifying if they hunted or fished or even are alive. Thus the state does not get $$ from the feds for Life timers. Now, that can change by the state of Indiana creating a way to verify the license holder is alive- like, if a LL holder calls in to a special number that verifies they exist and are hunting this year... similar to HIP registration. Also, when the state was infinacial trouble , I believe the funds from the LL slush fund were dipped into. This fund was supposed to untouchable ecept for the interest on the principal. That money was for the DNR to use as aquisition, and maintain... fund.
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Post by ihunt2liv on Jan 24, 2008 13:39:50 GMT -5
The LL issue has always been a sore spot for me especially not having one. When they were phased out I was unable to afford the cost as were many others at the time. I posted several comments on other forums about the issue. I guess I don't see the economic big picture. You would think that the state would benefit more from The LL's. The way I look at it when a LL is purchased you pay a large lump sum say for instance $500. That way the state is able to reap the benefit of a larger amount of interest beginning immediately as opposed to single liscense fees accumulating over a period of time. Also, think about those LL purchasers that move out of state, quit hunting, become disabled, or sad to say die. The state already has those funds forever. Now if those same people had just bought yearly tags that money is gone forever. Also, I was always wondering why the LL were never age prorated. For example say a hunter who was 55 or over could purchase a LL at a discounted or prorated fee. Lets face it that person won't see the full benefits as say a 20 yr. old. But an older hunter is probably in a better financial period in his life to afford the LL. Other ideas that I have heard are possible lotteries where the state issues a certain amount of LL's per year that people could be drawn to purchase. Another one was an online auction. That way we would really see what these oh sacred LL's were really worth. Aslo, what about periodic LL release dates? Say every 5 years they issue LL's This way people could save toward the purchase and the state would continue collect the yearly tag fees. These are a few of my views on the subject.
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Post by antiwheeze on Jan 24, 2008 16:54:49 GMT -5
Ihunt, My dads ltl was prorated when he bought it.
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Post by hoosierhuntinful on Feb 1, 2008 13:42:48 GMT -5
the economics of LL cost the state dearly as the feds gave the state money for each individual license sold........so if a hunter bought his/her small game/turkey/archery/extra archery/firearms/antlerless/ML license the feds give the state money for each license sold
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Post by 76chevy on Mar 24, 2008 9:19:59 GMT -5
got mine in december 2001 as an advance college graduation present (I graduated in 2003)!
I hunt every season, every weapon.
best gift that I have ever gotten!
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Post by dawnpatrol on Mar 24, 2008 9:43:59 GMT -5
purchased on 02-05-2002....Dad bought them for my brother and I....he paid half!
DP
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Post by oggie on Mar 24, 2008 20:47:22 GMT -5
Feb 2000 Comp hunting and fishing. Best birthday present I ever bought myself.
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