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Post by hoosier on Nov 25, 2007 12:50:28 GMT -5
Lengthened? You can't be serious! It's too long now!
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 25, 2007 12:53:28 GMT -5
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Post by hoosier on Nov 25, 2007 12:54:01 GMT -5
I just read your original post. Now, I am sure you can't be serious! A FIVE week gun season?!?!
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Post by deerpreacher on Nov 25, 2007 13:13:27 GMT -5
I think it fine the way that it is as long as the current strategy works for the deer population.
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Post by jim1966 on Nov 25, 2007 13:15:55 GMT -5
I Would likie to see it shortened and move to well after the rut.
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Post by mrfixit on Nov 25, 2007 13:32:17 GMT -5
Why does everyone posting want it shortened? What benefits would be gained by shortening the season? "The racks will be bigger" isn't necessarily a true statement. We have huge bucks in the state now. Granted we may not have as many as Il or Iowa but I'm sure there are huge bucks out there now nobody has even seen much less taken a shot at'em. If every buck killed in the state was a 200 class buck then you would have to kill a 250 class buck for it be special or something other than just another run of the mill buck.
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Post by larryhagmansliver on Nov 25, 2007 13:37:52 GMT -5
What? nobody is going to comment on the bowhunters wandering around the woods looking for wounded deer comment? I am sitting here waiting for a beat down and got nothing so far. I guess I'll say it myself. DRS what makes it any more dangerous for bow hunters to be wandering the woods looking for wounded deer than gun hunters wandering the woods looking for wounded deer? Don't you think a good shot with a bow kills a deer in less than 7 seconds and it will run less than 75 yards? Do you think a lot of gun shot deer don't run that long or longer. They can get wounded just the same. Are the archery hunters not as good a shot as the gun hunters? I'm lost.
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Post by larryhagmansliver on Nov 25, 2007 13:38:54 GMT -5
ok now to respond to the poll. I would like it shortened and pushed back a week.
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Post by duckhunterpaul on Nov 25, 2007 15:07:40 GMT -5
My mistake, page 14 of the regs says that archers must adhere to orange requirements. Sorry for not checking first. I don't venture out much with my bow during shotgun and just engaged my mouth before I engaged my brain.
Also, DRS, didn't realize you would take such exception to my "Runnin and Gunnin Morons"statement and state that my ideas were dumb. Might have struck a nerve! I am sure that every idea you have ever posted has set well with everyone on that forum. Especially generalizing that Bow Hunters are bad shots. I am sure that sat well with a lot of people.
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Post by scrub-buster on Nov 25, 2007 15:45:11 GMT -5
I think the season is good at two weeks.
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Post by parkerbow on Nov 25, 2007 16:44:31 GMT -5
Shorten it to 2 weekends, for a total of 9 days and out of the rut, That is enough. It is way to long anyway. I like the the way Illinois does it actually, have 2 short seasons and there would still be as many deer killed. 32 days of firearms season is rediculous.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 25, 2007 16:48:15 GMT -5
I don't think they should allow Archery & Gun Season to run concurrently. I remember back when I started to Deer Hunt; the DNR would have Archery Season first then close it during Firearm season. They then re-opened archery season after the General Firearm season. I think it's too dangerous for Bow Hunters to roam around the woods looking for a wounded or Hit Deer, when there are Gun Hunters about. Most of the Bow Hunters, I've seen during Gun Season, don't even wear the required-by-law Orange Vests or Hats. Actually the first archery seasons was during the gun seasons. It made no difference if you hunted with a bow or a gun. Everyone just used a "deer tag' - bucks only. Later the archery folks lobbied for their own season and got it. Then they lobbied for to be included in the gun season. I see absolutely nothing wrong with someone going afield with a bow during gun season. Not very many do it though. Everyone at that time is required to wear hunter orange as it is gun season. I have NEVER seen a bowhunter in gun season without hunter orange on. If you have then you need to either remind them that they are not abiding by the law or inform the CO. It is not any more dangerous for them to "roam around the woods looking for a wounded or Hit Deer" than for a gun hunter to do the same thing - IF they are properly attired in the required hunter orange.
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Post by indianahick on Nov 25, 2007 16:50:07 GMT -5
If you really look you will find that Indiana firearms is mainly in the breeding faze of the rut not the chasing. What makes for more deer movement is more human movement. If you actually keep track of when you see most of the deer in the mornings is shortly after sun up and about 2-3 hours later say 9 to 10 O'Clock. For those that are infatuated with Ill season, they are in the run and also allow two bucks. You want states that have liberal and extended firearms seasons look to La., GA, Ala, Miss, not only befor but thru and after the rut. Right now we are lucky that the legislators are not bowing to the pressure from Insurance company lobbyist and extending the seasons and raising the kill rate until the deer herd reaches the size that they want which is a lot less than its current size.
Bottom Line. LEAVE IT ALONE and be happy.
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Post by 30pointbuck on Nov 25, 2007 16:50:28 GMT -5
I don t have problem with when or how long it is, I bow hunt and have plenty of time in the rut to hunt so why shouldnt gun hunters get a chance as well. I use my shotgun and muzzleloader dont mind the PCR but not big on the rifle pistols myself. but its all a personnal preferance I dont wish to push my ideas on anyone. The rules are set we need to remember we are all sportsman and fight is with those who wish to infringe on are constitional rights 2nd amendment and are rights as sportsman to pursue game in a fair chase manner.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 25, 2007 16:53:26 GMT -5
Guys,
I know that this is a [glow=red,2,300]HOT[/glow] subject, but let's please do not get into a bowhunter versus gun hunter whizzin match. That does none of us any good.
Just stick to the subject and put forth any data that you can about lengthening or shortening the season.
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Post by mbogo on Nov 25, 2007 17:08:46 GMT -5
My personal preference would be to shorten firearms to one week(two weekends), have a two week cease fire, and add a week to muzzleloader season at the end. That will never happen and that is a good thing.
I couldn't agree more but that will also never happen. We've gotten to the point as a group where we would rather be catered to than simply go hunt and enjoy ourselves. The idea of entitlement has spread to deer hunting.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 25, 2007 17:34:43 GMT -5
My two cents….
Resource wise - I really don’t think it matters if the gun season is lengthened or shortened. As the season progresses I see less and less hunters in the woods. The kill drops off rather rapidly.
A couple things to consider is:
1) A shorter season doesn’t seem to stop a few states from killing a lot of deer. Some even more than we do. I understand that in some of these shorter season states a lot of deer driving goes on. Especially when the gun season is out of the rut. IOW – If the big boys wont move, the drivers will get them to move. Nothing wrong with that as it is perfectly legal, it is just not a lot of deer hunters idea of deer hunting.
Taking a look at the Indiana deer harvest –
88% of the antlered deer taken in gun season are taken the first 9 days of the season.
78% of ALL deer taken in the gun season are taken the first 9 days of the season.
As the gun season progresses more antlerless deer are taken. 66% of ALL deer taken the last 7 days are antlerless. I’m sure that the DNR knows this and probably would not want to give up that deer population management ability.
2) A longer season has more time and will allow people to hunt more and maybe be a little more selective in what buck they will take. Very few bowhunters are in a hurry to down a buck as they have 3 months to hunt. I know a pretty good number of bowhunters that don't even hunt the first three weeks of October. Of course when it gets down to nitty gritty time for gun hunters some will still opt for a smaller buck if that is all that they can get. That is one reason why we should lobby for an either sex gun tag.
My personal opinion is that I do not see anything wrong with the way it is now – season length wise and timing. Now, we can talk about buck limits, but that is a whole different ball of wax..
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Post by hornharvester on Nov 25, 2007 18:37:48 GMT -5
I like it just the way it is except Id like to see an early 5 day primitive muzzleloader season in mid-late Oct. Nothing but side hammers, black powder and open sights. h.h.
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Post by duff on Nov 25, 2007 18:44:51 GMT -5
I 110% agree the Woody's post.
If you all want to limit the gun season quit hunting those days you believe should be shut down. If anti hunters wanted to stop hunting all they would have to do is get with some of you guys...It really blows me away so many want a shorter season. New meaning to orange army if we only have a week or 3 days here or there.
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Post by deerdude on Nov 25, 2007 19:27:06 GMT -5
i would say its long enough as is.i wish they would start the archery season a little sooner. ive hunted the late archery season in the past and saw very few deer close enough to get a shot on.lets face it after gun season and then muzzle loader season coming in ,the deer are wired up tighter than heck. very hard to get drawn on one thats as nervous as a man in a electric chair.
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