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Post by bschwein on May 20, 2009 12:35:15 GMT -5
Gas Can - guess it depends on the type of check station... at Schwartz's Bait shop in Noblesville, folks were always grabbing some jerky and a drink... if the check station was a Rural King or Wal-Mart, then folks wouldn't necessarily be buying something incidental.... Same deal at the Shell station in Vevay... convenience store and hunters would grab a drink and check out the deer being brought in... Guess it depends what is available in your locality... BTW - Don't know if you're actually hunting in Jackson county, but they do list a processor/check in place... Jackson D/T Eagles Nest Brownstown US 50 in Brownstown (812)358-5249 T Family Drug Brownstown 810 W. Commerce (US 50) (812)358-4502 D Wilson’s Slaughtering and Processing Brownstown 324 Boles St. W of the high school off of Bridge St. (812)358-2632 D/T Bassmasters Seymour 1 mile W of I-65 on SR 50 (812)522-7501 D/T Ruckers Grocery Spraytown SR 58 (812)497-2146 I worked at Bassmasters. There check in only, Eagles nest was check in only, there closed now, Ruckers is closed to my knowledge and it was check in only, I can't imagine Family drug is a processer. Wilsons is a processor not sure if its a check in though. Its 20 miles the wrong way for me. I'm starting to do all my processing myself. The cost to have it done is getting way to expensive!
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Post by hornharvester on May 20, 2009 13:21:55 GMT -5
For someone like me who processes their own deer tele-check will be a great thing. For me to check deer now I have to drive 10 miles one way. Tele-check will save me about a gallon of gas each time I kill a deer. If I kill 4-5 deer thats a savings of $12 - $20 for the season. Not much but each gallon saved is one not boughten from foreign oil.
Heres an interesting thought, if tele-check becomes law then can self-processors like me go ahead and start butchering the deer and call it in the next day or do we have to call it in before we start? h.h.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 20, 2009 13:24:35 GMT -5
Jack, Where does it go from here? It goes to the Natural Resources Advisory Council meeting tentively scheduled for some evening in July. Jack Oh..boy. This is one of those "who's on first" for me. This was the NRC meeting to discuss the Telecheck and they are sending it to the Natural Resources Advisory Council who will look at it and maybe send it back to the NRC for futher study/ approval? Sure sounds like a lot of cooks stirring the soup...
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Post by Old Ironsights on May 20, 2009 14:05:53 GMT -5
For someone like me who processes their own deer tele-check will be a great thing. For me to check deer now I have to drive 10 miles one way. Tele-check will save me about a gallon of gas each time I kill a deer. If I kill 4-5 deer thats a savings of $12 - $20 for the season. Not much but each gallon saved is one not boughten from foreign oil. Heres an interesting thought, if tele-check becomes law then can self-processors like me go ahead and start butchering the deer and call it in the next day or do we have to call it in before we start? h.h. Heck, why wait? I process my own too, and I'd be calling it in as soon as I got the dressed carcass loaded and good Cell contact. That way I could start butchering as soon as I got it hung up at home (in the warm fall anyway...)
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Post by Decatur on May 20, 2009 14:15:29 GMT -5
Heres an interesting thought, if tele-check becomes law then can self-processors like me go ahead and start butchering the deer and call it in the next day or do we have to call it in before we start? h.h. I would say you have to call it in first to be legal. I know it shouldn't matter, but the guys that take their deer to processors have to have a check in number before the processor can accept it, so I'm sure the law will remain the same in that deer will have to be checked in before butchering can begin. Besides, I'm sure the call takes less than 10 minutes, probably closer to five.
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Post by jackc99 on May 20, 2009 15:41:31 GMT -5
It goes to the Natural Resources Advisory Council meeting tentively scheduled for some evening in July. Jack Oh..boy. This is one of those "who's on first" for me. This was the NRC meeting to discuss the Telecheck and they are sending it to the Natural Resources Advisory Council who will look at it and maybe send it back to the NRC for futher study/ approval? Sure sounds like a lot of cooks stirring the soup... I won't confuse you by reciting all the steps but yesterday's meeting was a response to a pettion from a private citizen. The response is the NRC is going forward with the rules process which means the first step is a properly written proposal to the Advisory Council who will review and make a recommendation and then on to the full NRC for preliminary approval. After that it goes to public hearing and if recommended for approval goes back to the NRC for final approval. One step at a time. Next big date is in July with the Advisory Council. Jack
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2009 16:09:30 GMT -5
Heres an interesting thought, if tele-check becomes law then can self-processors like me go ahead and start butchering the deer and call it in the next day or do we have to call it in before we start? h.h. I would say you have to call it in first to be legal. I know it shouldn't matter, but the guys that take their deer to processors have to have a check in number before the processor can accept it, so I'm sure the law will remain the same in that deer will have to be checked in before butchering can begin. Besides, I'm sure the call takes less than 10 minutes, probably closer to five. You'll most likely be required to carry a log, then record the kill on the log before moving the animal. Ky. uses a log.....Illinois uses a stick on tag. Then you'll have a certain hour to have made the call. If you don't, you'll be in violation if your stopped and the log is filled out and not called in. If your stopped and you didn't fill out the log, then your in violation. Basicly the same now as far as sneaking one home untagged or uncalled.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 20, 2009 16:21:20 GMT -5
I would say you have to call it in first to be legal. I know it shouldn't matter, but the guys that take their deer to processors have to have a check in number before the processor can accept it, so I'm sure the law will remain the same in that deer will have to be checked in before butchering can begin. Besides, I'm sure the call takes less than 10 minutes, probably closer to five. You'll most likely be required to carry a log, then record the kill on the log before moving the animal. Ky. uses a log.....Illinois uses a stick on tag. Then you'll have a certain hour to have made the call. If you don't, you'll be in violation if your stopped and the log is filled out and not called in. If your stopped and you didn't fill out the log, then your in violation. Basicly the same now as far as sneaking one home untagged or uncalled. My guess is that "tagging" the animal wil not change. It will still have to be tagged before transport. Since we now have 48 hours to check in a deer or turkey my guess it will stay the same - 48 hours to call one in. It is simple to do and takes no longer than 5 minutes, if that long. One thing that really helps is to know the check in number designation for the county that you hunt so it can speed the process. I'm glad to see that they are considering the telephone AND internet check in. The inetrnet chek in is a half dozen or so mouse clicks.
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Post by pav on May 21, 2009 11:45:33 GMT -5
"when funding becomes available" How can any capital spending venture, who's primary advantage is hunter convenience, be a "no brainer" when the funding source(s) has not been identified? I'd sure like to know what I'm giving up BEFORE commenting. Funding WON"T be a problem, as Telechek will be saving money soon after creation. No check station cards to print up and no more paying a person to collect that data, it'll be instantly available and can be used ongoing through out the season. What your giving up is nothing that you personally will notice, except for a few gallons of gas hunting for a check station. Sorry, but I'm not that gullible. This program has a MINIMUM $150,000 start up cost. The money will have to come from somewhere. That means you either take away from something else...or charge more to cover it. Either way, the tax payer is affected. How much the program will cost and defining where will the funding will come from should be addressed on the front end...not after the fact. That's the Treasurer mentality in me talking. You simply don't agree to spend money you don't have. They addressed the cost, but "when funding becomes available" doesn't cut it. I'm not saying I'm for Tele-check or against it at this point. I see more pros to the concept than cons. I just want to know what we're giving up for it?
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Post by jackc99 on May 21, 2009 12:03:52 GMT -5
pav - welcome to the fence sitting club. I am also concerned about where this mysterious "when funding becomes available" is coming from and what is the real cost to us. Will we have to give up purchasing a piece of ground or fire 2 biologists. What? Yup. I'm sittin on the fence on this one for now.
Jack
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Post by Decatur on May 21, 2009 12:06:18 GMT -5
I'll guess I'm the 3rd member of the fence sitters club!
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2009 12:15:08 GMT -5
IF Indiana was the first
state to install a Telechek system, I'm sure there would be a lot of hidden costs. The good news is, they are not by a long shot. There are several companies that are in the business to man the phone bank system and all that is as simple as hiring one of those to set up the call base.
Telechek is cheaper than other methods.....from the start to the final data gathering days. Want proof, consult a state that has already made the change. Beleive what you want but it's been well doucumented many ways that this is the best available system for modern game checking.
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Post by racktracker on May 21, 2009 14:32:58 GMT -5
You all be careful. That fence might have splinters. Timex pretty well nailed it. This is not uncharted territory that the IDNR is embarking on. There will be no hidden costs. As far as using the money to buy ground. $150,000 "might" buy us 50 acres, if that much. The fact that the DNR bioloigists and enforcement are for it should sell anyone.
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Post by racktracker on May 21, 2009 15:00:01 GMT -5
Missouri Telecheck was fully implemented during the fall 2005 deer and turkey season and spring 2006 turkey season with great success. It is estimated that hunters saved thousands of dollars on fuel (200,000 gallons) that would have been consumed in traveling to check stations. Information about the deer and turkey harvest was immediately available for enforcement and management—and at a much lower cost. mdc.mo.gov/conmag/2007/01/60.htm“We figured it saved the hunters about $1.3 million and it’s going to save us about $670,000.” Larry Vangilder, science resource chief, Missouri Department of Conservation. media.govtech.net/custompubs/MCI0505GT/MCI_05.05.pdf
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Post by gundude on May 21, 2009 16:56:02 GMT -5
Sorry but I am still on the fence on this one as well. I went to the meeting didn't really have much to say but I thought there would be others there supporting telecheck... there were none!... If it were up to me the 150k would be spent on chainsaw gas so we can establish desperately needed habitat.........
It isn't going anywhere for awhile folks so I think everybody can stand down this one.
On another note........ Jack stiffed me for lunch............ that dude is CHEAP!
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Post by Decatur on May 21, 2009 16:59:05 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on May 21, 2009 17:18:36 GMT -5
It isn't going anywhere for awhile folks so I think everybody can stand down this one. I think we will have it by the 2010 deer season if not the 2010 Spring turkeys season. That's your fault..you need to learn how to outfumble him when the check arrives .
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Post by jackc99 on May 21, 2009 18:52:34 GMT -5
On another note........ Jack stiffed me for lunch............ that dude is CHEAP! Remember I'm on a fixed income and I got the tip. By the way did you get that gal's phone number? Oh, I forgot that you're MARRIED now!!!! Yuk-yuk-yuk. Jack
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Post by jackc99 on May 21, 2009 18:55:21 GMT -5
It isn't going anywhere for awhile folks so I think everybody can stand down this one. I think we will have it by the 2010 deer season if not the 2010 Spring turkeys season. Actually we don't know. Assuming the legislature passes a two year budget like they should in the next month, we couldn't get telecheck into the budget before the 2011 legislature which would cover the 2012 and 2013 fiscal years. Unless they hit the lifetime license fund for the money. Jack
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2009 19:34:27 GMT -5
'I see on one of the other message boards where this doom and gloom is coming from about the money woes. Ain't so. Telechek saves money everywhere it's been used, enough money that imediate funding isn't an issue. mdc.mo.gov/conmag/2006/01/50.htm "Telecheck: The new Telecheck system allows hunters to check deer and turkey by phone or online. The Department estimates it will save $500,000 a year with this system." "over $782,000 was expended on running the check station system in order to process 361,020 animals" "Since the system is entirely computer-based, information is available on a nearly instantaneous basis to agency managers and the public. Finally the system provides a direct cost saving to the department. The cost associated with Telecheck has proven to be nearly 1/5 of the per-animal cost of the physical checking system." "In 2006, the overall cost of Telecheck was a little more than $160,000 or about 45 cents per animal. ... The savings in 2006 as compared to 2003 equates to more than $600,000" Missouri runs one the best Fish and Wildlife departments in the country, money wise, there is no equal anywhere. If they are doing it, it's what works the best.
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