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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 23, 2006 12:54:14 GMT -5
If it goes through, I'd like to get a Ruger semi-auto but will consider a Henry lever action if the Ruger is out of stock. Ohhh .. a Henry would be very nice indeed.... .
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Post by danf on Dec 23, 2006 21:00:19 GMT -5
This is from the IDNR...2003 Resident Deer - 220,469 Nonresident Deer - 4,394 Total – 224,863 That is down considerably from 2000 when the tags sales were.. Resident Deer - 328,649 Nonresident Deer - 5,683 Total – 334,332 Neither the hunting license sold or deer tags sold can be extrapolated to how many hunters are afield. There are way too many lifetime license holders, landowners, youth hunters, and military out there to get an accurate count. Woody, not to get off-topic again, but correct me if I'm wrong here.... Weren't lifetime licenses still available in 2000? IIRC, there was a HUGE number of them sold the year before the price increase, and several more sold after that while they were still available. The number of LL that were sold post-2000 could/would account for the decline you see from 2000 to 2003. Now, back on topic- I've been deer hunting since '92 when I was 13. I didn't much like the kick of the 20 gauge slug then. I still don't much like the kick of a 12 gauge slug. I tolerate it because I have to. I WILL be saving my pennies to get a carbine barrel for my Contender once this passes, but it will be a few years. A lighter gun with less recoil and essentially the same effective range (and probably more accurate) DEFINATELY appeals to me. I have yet to take a second shot at a deer with a shotgun, so a single-shot carbine won't bother me much.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 23, 2006 21:48:12 GMT -5
This is from the IDNR...2003 Resident Deer - 220,469 Nonresident Deer - 4,394 Total – 224,863 That is down considerably from 2000 when the tags sales were.. Resident Deer - 328,649 Nonresident Deer - 5,683 Total – 334,332 Neither the hunting license sold or deer tags sold can be extrapolated to how many hunters are afield. There are way too many lifetime license holders, landowners, youth hunters, and military out there to get an accurate count. Woody, not to get off-topic again, but correct me if I'm wrong here.... Weren't lifetime licenses still available in 2000? IIRC, there was a HUGE number of them sold the year before the price increase, and several more sold after that while they were still available. The number of LL that were sold post-2000 could/would account for the decline you see from 2000 to 2003. Yes, it is getting off a little. Maybe we can go talk abot it in another thread? Here is what I have on Lifetime license sales for that time period. 2000 Lifetime License sales that were deer tag inclusive - 1171 2001Lifetime License sales that were deer tag inclusive – 16,064 (Beating the price increase?) 2002Lifetime License sales that were deer tag inclusive – 349 2003Lifetime License sales that were deer tag inclusive - 193 I don't have any numbers for 2004 to 2006 for lifetime licenses.I would guess that we would have had another jump to beat the deadline on them. Probably nowhere near as big as 2001 though. When asked about the 100,000 drop in tags the IDNR said it was from the price increase (people not buying as many tags), the lifetime license sales (beating the price increase and then not buying over the counter annual tags) and the OBR (not buying a second buck tag). How much could be attributed to which one is any body's guess as the DNR survey couldn't pick it up. I do not know of anyone that just loves to take a beating from a slug gun. As others have stated most just "practice" long enough to be sure their sights are on and that is it. If it takes two shots and they are on that is usually it. If it takes a dozen, they are cussing and flinching by the 12 th shot. .
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Post by danf on Dec 24, 2006 9:14:46 GMT -5
I do not know of anyone that just loves to take a beating from a slug gun. As others have stated most just "practice" long enough to be sure their sights are on and that is it. If it takes two shots and they are on that is usually it. If it takes a dozen, they are cussing and flinching by the 12 th shot. On the subject of licenses, it looks like the drop in license sales can't be attributed solely to fewer hunters, just so that is clear... There may be fewer hunters, but not to the tune of 90,000! Back to the subject at hand... I too know of no one who enjoys shooting a slug gun. I'll shoot clays all day long with #7's, but change that out to a slug and I'm wanting to quit by the time I hit the end of the second box. Two years ago, I shot 24 rounds through my shotgun (in two nights) trying to get it sighted-in. I didn't have the scope mount on tight (reciever mounted scope) and the first shot bumped the crosshairs something major. That year hurt- both in the shoulder and in the wallet. Total cost on shells just to sight-in was in the nieghborhood of ~$65. Had that been a carbine, it would have been less than half of that for two boxes and I still would have had lots of ammo left over. Could have bought another tag with the leftover money too. Plus I wouldn't have had a sore shoulder. FWIW- I typically run between 5-10 shells through my shotgun sometime the week before season opener. This year took 8 before I was satisfied.
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Post by gobblerfreak on Dec 24, 2006 18:54:40 GMT -5
I for one WONT be huntin with a rifle. To me 200 yds. is a far enough shot, if ya cant get a deer in that range then it just wasn't meant to be. I don't want to have to worry bout dodgin bullets from irresponsible hunters, Opening Day of shotgun season is scary enough! I can somewhat understand the reasoning of getting woman and children into the sport, however if they cant take the recoil from a 20 ga. sluggun, or a 45 cal. muzzeloader then they are probably just too small to begin with. Indiana has been on the rise in the last few years in terms of "Record Book Quality " bucks, this is a sure fire way to wipe that out in a hurry! How exciting is it to blast an animal from a 1/4 mile away anyhow? Where is the challenge in that? To me thats not huntin, thats just shootin, there IS A DIFFERENCE! My response here is in no way meant to offend anyone, I would be game for allowing the Handicapped to hunt with a rifle if they needed to. But when it comes to women and children just like archery, if yer not big enough to draw the legal weight bow, you'r not big enough to hunt. I'm sure my response will draw all sorts of negative attention, however one of the things I love most about Huntin in INDIANA is that there isn't a rifle season!!
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Post by hornharvester on Dec 24, 2006 20:55:54 GMT -5
GobblerFreak,
I think you read the question wrong, its handgun cartridge rifles, like .44 mag, 45 long colt, 357 mag not centerfire rifles. the range is no more than 100 - 150 yards, less than slug guns or muzzle loaders that are legal now. h.h.
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Post by schoolmaster on Dec 24, 2006 21:07:04 GMT -5
I voted maybe, I have a number of guns to deer hunt with and was bitten by the muzzleloader bug 40 plus years ago.
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Post by gobblerfreak on Dec 25, 2006 1:18:05 GMT -5
Thanks Horn Harvester, I did mis-read it! I still doubt I'd hunt with one though. I guess I'm not much of a gun hunter, except for Turkeys!
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