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May 2, 2007 21:54:30 GMT -5
Post by hunter480 on May 2, 2007 21:54:30 GMT -5
The government is run by oil men so what do you expect? h.h. Great-another intelligent observation. Elvis is still alive to ya know.
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May 2, 2007 22:14:37 GMT -5
Post by hunter480 on May 2, 2007 22:14:37 GMT -5
Sorry, but I don't buy the Johnsmiles grassy knoll, conspiracy theory. Those big oil companies are deliverying fuel to the consumer as cheap as they can possibly do it. It is a competitive business, just like everything else, and Marathon, Shell or whoever buys it and sells it as cheap as they can while still making a profit. The reason their profits are bigger than ever, is because the product is in more demand than ever, and they are selling more dollars worth of the stuff than ever. I don't know what everyone here does for a living, but put yourself in the oil companies position. You have invested allof your resources in equipment, facilities, human resources and infrastructure. You have a product everyone wants, and there isn't hardly enough of it to go around. Should you reduce price? Barnyard economics .... heck no! You better make a buck while the resource is still available, because you'll have to find something new to do when it runs out. And it aint gonna be cheap getting into a new line of work. Are you freaking for real? As cheaply as possible? They up the price of fuel already in the ground at the pumps cuz of some perceived disaster, which may, or may not affect gas consumption/supply around the world. And how bout the price of a galloon of gas jumping 35 cents a gallon one day-but then it drops-if it drops-a whole penny at a time. it`s isn`t costing them any more to find or procure the crude, only slightly more to refine and move, yet, they`re making BILLIONS in profits, while everyday people struggle daily to make it. And no disrespect BSU-but I want to hear how your daily walk from Noblesville goes to downtown Indy everyday man. C`mon-try to sound believable-don`t like the prices-park the car and walk? What world are you living in? That isn`t reasonable NOR practical-even if I understand the, (I hope) tongue-in-cheek point. But back to the best they can do at the best they can afford-BS.
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May 3, 2007 5:21:28 GMT -5
Post by Woody Williams on May 3, 2007 5:21:28 GMT -5
Guys,
Easy on the personal stuff.
Debate the SUBJECT and leave the personal stuff out of it.
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May 3, 2007 8:20:10 GMT -5
Post by hornharvester on May 3, 2007 8:20:10 GMT -5
The government is run by oil men so what do you expect? h.h. Great-another intelligent observation. Elvis is still alive to ya know. If you have got a problem feel free to PM me. h.h.
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May 3, 2007 9:15:04 GMT -5
Post by bsutravis on May 3, 2007 9:15:04 GMT -5
BSU-but I want to hear how your daily walk from Noblesville goes to downtown Indy everyday man. First..... I'm not gripping about the gas prices, so why should I have to daydream what the foot-path commute to Indy would be like? You see folks, a very long time ago we lived in a world where there were very few cars, people traveled by foot, horse, mule, and the RICH took locomotives to get from place to place. People didn't gripe and moan about their long commute to work cause they weren't stupid enough to live 50 miles from their place of employment, they lived within walking or riding distance. Now......fast forward 80 years. If you weren't smart enough to realize that your pick-up isn't exactly fuel efficient when you bought it, than that's your own problem. Trade it in on a Prius if you are really being pinched in the pocketbook. If you can't afford the new hybrid vehicle, than move close enough to your work so you can take the bus, ride a bike, or walk. SEVERAL people ride their bikes to work where I work......and some of them have some lengthy rides! You NEVER hear someone who drives a car that gets 40-50mpg b!thching about gas prices...NEVER! Granted, Indy DOES need a mass-transit system. The bus system here STINKS and 99% of the people I know wouldn't dream of stepping onto an Indy-Go bus. The city is actively exploring what to do, in terms of getting a light-rail system of some sort to help...... but that doesn't exactly help those that don't live in Indy. To those, I say that 95% of you that are gripping about the costs of your fill-ups are dumping 25+ gallons into your V-8 truck that's guzzling 12 mpg or less. If you don't make enough to sustain the lifestyle that you desire, you make changes to that lifestyle, or increase your income to compensate. Whining on an internet message board isn't gonna do much good.....take that energy and make a difference in your own life, cause chances are...the CEO of Exxon isn't reading your post and feeling sorry for you.
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May 8, 2007 10:12:15 GMT -5
Post by JohnSmiles on May 8, 2007 10:12:15 GMT -5
BSU-but I want to hear how your daily walk from Noblesville goes to downtown Indy everyday man. First..... I'm not gripping about the gas prices, so why should I have to daydream what the foot-path commute to Indy would be like? I think he was referring to this, where you are claiming you can simply walk to work: Ya know..... I'm as sick of the gas prices as everyone else, but have you ever really stopped to think about what that $3/gallon is getting you? I mean, lets say your average vehicle gets 20 mpg...... and you needed to go 20 miles from your house, wouldn't you think that $3 seems reasonable for a product to help propel your horseless buggy 20 miles??? I do. Sure, I WISH it were $1 / gallon........ but I'm not gonna loose any sleep over it, or worry myself silly. I'll pay my $3 and travel my 20 miles.......if I don't wanna pay it, I can always walk. Yes, and jobs did NOT change/close/relocate at the drop of a hat. In todays job market, retirement and job security are myth. The motto is 'change is good' and employees are reminded often that you have to be willing to change and make sacrifices to be deemed 'viable' in todays workforce. Yeah, a $300 truck will go a long way in attempting to buy a $40,000 base price hybrid. The reason those people who have cars capable of 40-50 mph aren't complaining is that they HAVE the money to buy a hybrid in the first place. Point of fact here: If you can afford a hybrid, the price of gas isn't a major concern for you in the first place. omg I never knew it was that simple. How stupid of us! I had no idea we could simply go sign up someplace to jump from lower to middle class income levels. Is there also a program where I can start drawing my $75,000 a year before I actually get the job? Whining? Why is it 'whining' and a waste of time when people express a concern you do not consider valid? I mean, why post at all if it doesn't concern you? Just to tell those it does affect they are basically failures? You make it sounds as if those who don't make enough money to live as you do are lazy, worthless, uneducated slobs and actually deserve to be poor. Some day, you may find yourself making far less than you do now, for one reason or another. It is clear you do not currently want for much. People such as yourself do NOT feel much of a loss over gas prices, as for your income level it ISN'T a big deal. Most of America, however, lives on a much lower pay scale. The part that amazes me is that, as it is no problem for you, then 'logically' it must follow that it can't be a problem for others. And here I though the 'BS' in your screen name was something to do with a college. . . ;D ;D ;D
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May 8, 2007 12:37:41 GMT -5
Post by cambygsp on May 8, 2007 12:37:41 GMT -5
Steiny,
Who says the oil is running out?.....heck they keep cutting production so they can raise prices. We have oil in places that we are not allowed to drill in, that will change at some point.
I disagree 110% that the oil companies are keeping prices as low as possible, when prices change at the pump by .35 overnight, how does that relate to how much it cost to produce that gas that was already in the tank?
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May 8, 2007 13:04:45 GMT -5
Post by drs on May 8, 2007 13:04:45 GMT -5
It's simple math, folks. As the price of fuel goes up, the less people will spend on other items like: eating out, taking that vacation or buying a favored item, they've been waiting to purchase. They will just simply won't have the money to buy the little things, once taken for granted and purchased, but rather must use that money for food, fuel, health insurance, ect. It's a MUCH different world today than it was 20 or 30 years ago.
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May 8, 2007 13:28:27 GMT -5
Post by JohnSmiles on May 8, 2007 13:28:27 GMT -5
It's a MUCH different world today than it was 20 or 30 years ago. Ain't that the truth. But its not the world so much that has changed. Its the perception of what is causing problems that has changed. Now, a person(or a company) can break the law, rob you and cause you much anguish, and some lawyer will spin it around until YOU are the one TRULY at fault. . . . . Powerful people knew long ago a society can not address what it cannot define . . . Oil companies and politicians with OUR best interest in mind . . . ;D That makes sense and I am deemed a conspiracy nut . . . Hey, makes sense to me! Its all perception today, or the lack thereof.
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May 8, 2007 14:43:07 GMT -5
Post by birddog on May 8, 2007 14:43:07 GMT -5
The only problem with the high cost of gas is THE POLITICIANS...PERIOD!!!!!!!!! In countries like Venezula and other oil producing countries the cost of a gallon of gas in something less than 35 or 40 cents per gallon and the ONLY reason it's so high here is TAXES that we have to pay on a gallon of gas...It's a total rip off of the american dollar!!!!!!!
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May 8, 2007 19:17:14 GMT -5
Post by indianahick on May 8, 2007 19:17:14 GMT -5
Hmm very interesting. Okay I agree with some of you. A) Oil men do run the American government. They have for over 100 years. There have been carburetors invented that increased fuel efficiency and extended gas mileage. They disappeared. There were auto built that got twice the miles per gallon or more and those engines disappeared. Now are there many of us that have already changed the amount that we drive. Yes. Buy stuff on the way home from work. What a revelation. Been doing it for 40+ years. But then there are times when a separate trip can not be helped, something breaks and need replaced, NOW. If the deep freeze breaks you best be heading to replace it muy pronto or it is going to cost 2 or 3 hundred times what a few gallons of fuel cost. Buy a hybrid car and get 30-40 miles per gallon. NO need, Honda makes several, Chevrolet says that they have 4 or 5, Nissan has several, Ford may have 1 or 2, and then there is that ugly of bug the Volkswagen. Now are all these big roomy, heavy, machines? Nope. Most are smaller, 4 cylinder machines. Which would be really good for going to work and most city usage. Trucks? Unless you are pulling a trailer or fifth wheel do you really and truly need that big extended cab 4 wheel drive? Most of us not really. How many of us would get buy just fine with a truck no larger than the Dodge Dakota extended cab in 4 wheel drive? Actually most of us would even get by in one like the old Toyota SR5 with an extended cab in 4 wheel. And they get in the mid 20's for gas mileage. Or how about stealing a page from the Asians and ride small motor cycles in the 350 to 500 CC range? Even if you drive 50 miles one way to work either a smaller car or motor cycle would not be unreasonable to use and much more fuel efficient. bicycles would work well in some cases also, especially if there were 3-4 extensions added to most roads for the safety of those riders at this time and with the size of the vehicles that most drive.
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May 8, 2007 19:46:34 GMT -5
Post by steiny on May 8, 2007 19:46:34 GMT -5
There are a whole bunch or German Baptist and Amish folks in this state who aren't complaining about the price of gas. Not suggesting that everyone switches over to that lifestyle overnight, but the point is that massive amounts of fuel consumption is not a life necessity, it is a "life choice" we have made. If you don't like the way things are going for you, make some changes, as I can promise you gas aint gonna ever get much cheaper.
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May 8, 2007 19:48:44 GMT -5
Post by Decatur on May 8, 2007 19:48:44 GMT -5
There are a whole bunch or German Baptist and Amish folks in this state who aren't complaining about the price of gas. Not suggesting that everyone switches over to that lifestyle overnight, but the point is that massive amounts of fuel consumption is not a life necessity, it is a "life choice" we have made. If you don't like the way things are going for you, make some changes, as I can promise you gas aint gonna ever get much cheaper. I doubt any of us are gonna switch to horse and buggy any time soon!
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May 8, 2007 21:19:57 GMT -5
Post by JohnSmiles on May 8, 2007 21:19:57 GMT -5
There are a whole bunch or German Baptist and Amish folks in this state who aren't complaining about the price of gas. Not suggesting that everyone switches over to that lifestyle overnight, but the point is that massive amounts of fuel consumption is not a life necessity, it is a "life choice" we have made. If you don't like the way things are going for you, make some changes, as I can promise you gas aint gonna ever get much cheaper. German Baptist drive cars, use tractors and live in modern homes. I am betting many of them are just as upset as us. It is the Amish who turn their back on mechanization. And, just exactly what changes do you suggest I, or anyone else, instill into our lives to offset the soaring price of gas?
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May 9, 2007 5:12:17 GMT -5
Post by cambygsp on May 9, 2007 5:12:17 GMT -5
Seen on the news this morning that gas was $4.33 per gallon in California.....I know it's California but it's still in the USA!
At work we are moving our fuel surcharge to $15.00 per work order, up from $10.00. We received our first $5000.00 fuel bill this month. Our fuel costs have DOUBLED in the last 3 years. Our service trucks (vans) get about 9 mpg fully loaded.
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May 9, 2007 6:15:37 GMT -5
Post by DEERTRACKS on May 9, 2007 6:15:37 GMT -5
I was talking with a friend that works for one of the major gasoline companies last night, and he firmly believes that gas will hit $4.00 this year. He has worked in the business for 20+ years, so when he speaks I listen. I sure do hope that he is wrong!!!!!!
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May 9, 2007 9:44:52 GMT -5
Post by hornharvester on May 9, 2007 9:44:52 GMT -5
I flew home from Florida last night, gas there was 2.89 - 2.93 got to Indy and its 3.09 - 3.15.
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May 9, 2007 9:56:41 GMT -5
Post by hornharvester on May 9, 2007 9:56:41 GMT -5
Back in the early 70's when we were hit with the first oil shortage the government commissioned an alternative energy committee. Their job was to find different sources of energy for the future. After 2-3 years you didn't hear anything from them. Hmmm...wonder why?
That was the time to make major changes in how and what we consume for energy. h.h.
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May 9, 2007 10:08:47 GMT -5
Post by parrothead on May 9, 2007 10:08:47 GMT -5
I saw on yahoo yesterday gas in Saudi is 45 cents per gallon Iran is 33 cents and Ven. is under a quarter.
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May 9, 2007 11:32:15 GMT -5
Post by indianahick on May 9, 2007 11:32:15 GMT -5
We took a short summer vacation trip up north to the Amish country around the Goshen area to look at how they make RV's. Anyway on our trips around the area we observed lots of Amish homes and farms, yes there were lots of horse and buggy's, but there were also lots of vans, trucks, bass boats, pontoons. These were parked along side of the horse and buggy's. You could also see many of them driving around from place to place. There is a period in the Amish lives where the do not have to abide by old silent, anti modern ways.
Yes I seen a article in the local rag about how pelosi and her husband was in hippy vill over the week end and seen gas at over $4.00 a gallon and their eyes popped open in disbelief. Talk about living in a world of fantasy.
Even at these prices we are still paying less than Japan, Europe. But we are being gouged plenty the way it is. And a lot of it is in taxes.
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