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Post by semisneak on Jul 30, 2006 17:21:13 GMT -5
I do not smoke but it honks me off that vigo county can tell all its business's that they have to be non smoking. As a result the company I work for has mandated a non tobacco policy. We cant even chew now. The place I work has diesel trucks driving inside the building, god forbid someone smoke in here. I think the government is going too far now. Well , I guess the government knows whats best for me .
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 30, 2006 17:37:45 GMT -5
"All businesses"?
Even high bay buildings like it sounds what your work is?
I can understand public establishments like restaurants, but businesses?
What is with the no chewing? That doesn’t affect anyone but the chewer.
More and more cities are adopting no smoking rules for those public places.
I think that instead of mandating that public place, like a restaurant or bar, be non-smoking that they give the place a choice of providing a non-smoking room and a smoking room, where all smoke is captured and vented outside.
There can be a reasonable compromise there.
If someone wants to screw up his or her own lungs, I say knock yourself out, but leave mine out of it.
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Post by tusti on Jul 30, 2006 18:28:16 GMT -5
The idiots where are trying to pass a NO smoking ban that in all of their wisdom would include the local Lion's club's annual BBQ. Every year this event raises thousands of dollars for the sight impared. I hope it back=fires on these pinheads
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Post by pbr on Jul 30, 2006 18:36:00 GMT -5
I don't smoke... I don't chew.. ..and I don't go out with girls that do. Lips that touch liquor will never touch mine. My liquor that is. I agree with Woody. Give them a choice. The little see over walls dividers is not what I call "smoking" and "non-smoking" rooms.
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Post by bsutravis on Jul 30, 2006 23:03:23 GMT -5
Semi.... Your employer must be ahead of the curve, the smoking ban doesn't take effect till July 1, '07 if I remember correct.
If people smoked around me while I was at work it would definately honk ME off, so I would support a business smoking ban, but if your employer is creating a no tobacco policy, that is their doing NOT the govt.. I can see the rationale that you have about being around diesel exhaust all day.....I think that there should be exceptions to every rule and your working environment is definately a candidate.
If I were President/CEO of a company, I certainly wouldn't want my employees smoking and spitting all day....so I can't say that I blame them. There's a no tobacco policy where I work too....as well as the infamous sexual harassment policy....no discrimination policy....dress policy, etc, etc.. You are DEFINATELY not "FREE" when you are working for THE MAN.
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Post by indianahick on Jul 30, 2006 23:44:07 GMT -5
The company that I worked for in Vigo county had a non smoking rule before 2000. You had to go outside to designated smoking areas to smoke. They started with smoking rooms and had them for a couple of years and then did away with them. Last I heard they were talking about no smoking within like 100 feet of the building.
Archery equipment was also considered a dangerous weapon and you were not supposed to have it in your vehicle. If caught with it you could be terminated.
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Post by Sasquatch on Jul 31, 2006 4:58:48 GMT -5
Madison, unbelievably, just went down the same road. As of August first, no smoking in any public building. Personally, though I am not a smoker, I believe rules like this should be beyond the power of city government. What's next? You can't smoke in your house? Oh I forgot, some employers across the nation are already testing for nicotine and firing employees who test positive. Remember how everyone thought drug testing at work was such a good idea? It made sense, weed out the druggies, make work safe. I even thought it made sense. I bet most of us never thought that the idea of testing would spread to LEGAL drugs like nicotine. You know, Caffeine affects your sleep patterns....it can make you cranky....stopping it's use would potentially make you a better, healthier employee. How long before your company tells you to stop drinking Coke? This stuff is just like gun bans; it won't stop with one rule. THE EROSION OF FREEDOM NEVER STOPS WITH ONE RULE! Those of you who don't smoke should fight right along side of the smokers against this kind of thing, because YOU are next.
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Post by RiverJim on Jul 31, 2006 5:06:40 GMT -5
If I OWNED a bussiness in one of the smoke free zones you'd bet we'd have some problems. If it's MY building, and smoking is still legal, they could bite me!
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Post by kevin1 on Jul 31, 2006 5:21:42 GMT -5
Anti-smokers are no different than anti-hunters , they're an intolerant bunch who care only about their own agenda . Once they get a toehold they'll want the whole foot in next , it won't stop with smoking and drugs , and who knows what they'll want banned next on the pretext of protecting the public ? I don't need someone else telling me what's good or bad for me , I'm capable of making those choices all by myself . The owner of the business should be who decides what to allow on their own property , not the goobermint .
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jul 31, 2006 6:03:57 GMT -5
Semi.... Your employer must be ahead of the curve, the smoking ban doesn't take effect till July 1, '07 if I remember correct. If people smoked around me while I was at work it would definately honk ME off, so I would support a business smoking ban, but if your employer is creating a no tobacco policy, that is their doing NOT the govt.. I can see the rationale that you have about being around diesel exhaust all day.....I think that there should be exceptions to every rule and your working environment is definately a candidate. If I were President/CEO of a company, I certainly wouldn't want my employees smoking and spitting all day....so I can't say that I blame them. There's a no tobacco policy where I work too....as well as the infamous sexual harassment policy....no discrimination policy....dress policy, etc, etc.. You are DEFINATELY not "FREE" when you are working for THE MAN. We have had soooooooooo many such policies put in effect the past 2 years by my employer that we have to stop & think before we do anything at work to be in compliance. There are way tooooo many pencil necks with waaaaay tooooooo much time on their hands to come up with all of this crap. I don't smoke, but those that do should be able to do so in the approiate areas.
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Post by semisneak on Jul 31, 2006 6:10:08 GMT -5
Yes my employer is ahead of the curve. Our cessation program starts Oct 1st and will be tobacco smoke free by 4/01/07.
We already had smoking areas so if someone didnt like smoke they didnt have to be around it. I guess the company didnt want people to whine about people chewing if they cant smoke.........I dont know for sure they didnt say.
This rant is really more about Vigo county govt telling a business what kind policies it has to abide by.
Vigo county did make exceptions to some bars if they build some kind of fancy smoke room.................
As some people have stated...............Whats next???
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Post by bsutravis on Jul 31, 2006 7:55:42 GMT -5
Anti-smokers are no different than anti-hunters , they're an intolerant bunch who care only about their own agenda Like any group, there certainly are radicals.....but I definately consider myself an "anti-smoker" from the standpoint that I don't want it blown in my face or my 2 children's faces in an enclosed environment or where people are in close proximity to each other such as at a ballgame (even outside). I don't mind at all being around someone who smokes, nor do I have any prejudices about that person....but if I go into a public building, or my work I certainly don't want to breathe, nor smell like their smoke. Smokers certainly wouldn't want to sit next to me if I had raging body odor or gas.... If I were giving off toxic fumes that WILL kill you eventually, you would expect ME to leave the area, not the other way around.
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Post by indianahick on Jul 31, 2006 8:47:00 GMT -5
I am not for this and I am an ex smoker. I quit approximately 25 years ago. You can not smoke in my house. My rule. I am more than happy to go outside with you and sit or stand where you can smoke. I have the ability to move upwind. I do not want you to smoke in my truck. But some of my friends are smokers and I think that they should have areas where they can smoke and not effect others.
If the government can totally ban this, what is next? Long hair? Look at what happened when some fanatics got alcohol banned. No I do not drink alcohol either. But then again I do not think that banning smoking will lead to the violence and crime that alcohol did.
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Post by quackhead100 on Jul 31, 2006 10:13:42 GMT -5
I am a non-smoker and hold no prejudice to those who do. It's their choice. Any government that thinks they should be able to force business owners into not allowing smoking in their establishments is strong-handed, presumptious and wrong!!! People vote with their dollars when it comes to business. If they like what you do for them, they spend in your business. If they don't, they will find someplace else to go. Most governments on any level have bigger problems to deal with than this.
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Post by chicobrownbear on Jul 31, 2006 12:25:45 GMT -5
Don't smoke. Irritates the heck out of my eyes at restaurants sometimes, but I don't think its the govmt's place to tell private business what to do. I just choose not to patronize smokey places. I do chew and I've never had a problem with worms or long relationships.
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Post by Hawkeye on Jul 31, 2006 13:26:59 GMT -5
Well after reading all the above post must voice my feelings, First off I do own a business and started hiring only non smokers about 20 years ago, I do not smoke and never have. The goverment did not have to tell me to do this or convince me that smoking is bad for you.I admit Iam prejudice to smokers. I got tired of my investigators while on surveillance having to stop and take 15 min out of every hour to suck smoke. also got fed up with smoking employees coughing up crap while talking to clients. got fed up with my office and vehicles stinking from smoke and having burn holes in the seats. got fed up paying higer insurance rates because a smoker is more likely to become sick or die. got fed up with my clothes smelling like burning garbage from being around people who smoke. no one smokes in my house or car.It is a bad expensive habit that can kill you and any one who is close to a smoker,like your wife or kids. I do not and will not eat at a restaurant that will not provide a smoke free area. MY mother died from lung cancer directly related to her smoking several packs a day of americas favorite brand. Even in the hospital under oxygen she would sneak a smoke . One of my best buddys now has throat cancer and has to speak using a mic pressed against his neck. so as you can see I do not like smoking period.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jul 31, 2006 13:36:03 GMT -5
Don't smoke. Irritates the heck out of my eyes at restaurants sometimes, but I don't think its the govmt's place to tell private business what to do. I just choose not to patronize smokey places. I do chew and I've never had a problem with worms or long relationships. I started chewing plug & twist in 6th grade. Peer pressure you know! I started slinging hay with an older group of boys & that's what they chewed. Mailpouch now days. The dentist loves seeing me coming. ; ;D
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Post by semisneak on Jul 31, 2006 14:00:06 GMT -5
Hawkeye,
Sorry to hear about your mother and buddy. My mother also died of lung cancer at a young age.
All the choices you made for your business were your own. Nobody told you to take your actions with your business which is the point Im making. If the government told you to hire only smokers you probably wouldnt be to happy about that. This is about more then smoking ...........its about the local government on a power trip . Whats next ? Coffee , pop , freedom fries ? It just seems they are trying to control every facet of our lives.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Jul 31, 2006 14:26:12 GMT -5
I'm all for a business making a decision about smoking or non-smoking. I see no need for a bar owner to be mandated to stop smoking in his or her establishment. I am a non-smoker and enjoy eating at a place with a no smoking policy however it is my choice to walk in a place that allows smoking, if I feel that strongly about it I'll go down the street. I do fear what may be arround the corner....
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Post by raporter on Jul 31, 2006 14:30:23 GMT -5
If I eat at a place and smell any smoke at all I will not be back. As much as I dislike government interference I dislike smoke in my space even more.
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