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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 22, 2006 7:59:51 GMT -5
Daniels OKs gun bills By JENNIFER WHITSON Courier & Press Indianapolis bureau (317) 631-7405 or whitsonj@courierpress.com March 22, 2006 INDIANAPOLIS - Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels signed two bills pushed by gun-rights advocates in a brief Statehouse ceremony Tuesday. One change, effective July 1, will allow gun owners to get a lifetime carrying permit. Under current law, if gun owners want to carry their guns, they must apply for a carrying permit, pay a $25 fee and renew the permit every four years. The new law, which was sponsored by state Rep. Troy Woodruff, R-Vincennes, allows current permit holders to pay $100 to convert to a lifetime, unlimited carrying permit. A new lifetime carrying permit would cost $125. Owners could also still opt to get a four-year permit, but the act increases the price to $40. The cost for a lifetime qualified license, issued for hunting and target practice, will be $60 to convert an existing license and $75 for a new lifetime license. Gun rights advocates backed the bill and said Indiana would be the first state in the nation with a lifetime carrying permit. Several proponents, including roughly 35 people from 2nd Amendment Patriots in Southwestern Indiana, came to the Statehouse for a Tuesday signing ceremony with the governor. "This is really a big deal," said Steve McBrian of Boonville, who is also running for the House District 74 seat. Thomas Weddle of Fort Branch made the trip with his wife and five children. "I came up for my children to see government in action and how citizens can make a difference by representing their beliefs to the Legislature," Weddle said. Jim Tomes, leader of the group, said the legislation passed this year was the most progress the state has seen on gun rights in years. "This year, by far, we have the most spectacular goals we've accomplished," Tomes said. The bill also requires the Indiana State Police to set up an online application process and participate in the National Instate Criminal Background Check System if federal funds are available to pay for the changes. The second bill adds a provision on using force for self defense, stating that a person does not have a duty to retreat before using reasonable force to protect himself or another person who is in danger. The amended law also now states that a person does not have a duty to first try to flee before using deadly force to defend against someone breaking into his home or car. Representatives from national gun rights groups also attended the ceremony. Daniels said that with the deadline for signing bills into laws, he can only spare enough time to do ceremonies for the most noteworthy. "For those of us who believe the 2nd Amendment means exactly what is says ... this is exactly the kind of step we need to take," Daniels said. www.courierpress.com/ecp/news/article/0,1626,ECP_734_4560479,00.html
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Post by chicobrownbear on Mar 22, 2006 8:12:27 GMT -5
I'll be converting as soon as possible. My permit has another year on it, but you have to make hay while the sun shines.
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 22, 2006 8:28:50 GMT -5
I'll be converting as soon as possible. My permit has another year on it, but you have to make hay while the sun shines. No doubt the one time $100 versus $40 every 4 years makes it worthwhile...... even at my age..
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Post by chicobrownbear on Mar 22, 2006 8:53:29 GMT -5
I'll be converting as soon as possible. My permit has another year on it, but you have to make hay while the sun shines. No doubt the one time $100 versus $40 every 4 years makes it worthwhile...... even at my age.. I wholly agree. I think that is where they went wrong with the lifetime hunting licenses. They priced out young folks who couldn't scrape together 1,000 bucks (like me at the time) and they didn't have any incentives for those older folks who didn't get one because of the cost/age ratio.
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Post by indianahick on Mar 22, 2006 11:00:53 GMT -5
Soon as I get My $100 I am heading for the Sherriffs offices and a lifetime permit.
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Post by Hood on Mar 22, 2006 11:20:43 GMT -5
Wow, just in time. Mine expires in August.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Mar 22, 2006 12:09:52 GMT -5
AMEN!
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Post by hunter480 on Mar 22, 2006 15:40:31 GMT -5
"For those of us who believe the 2nd Amendment means exactly what is says ... this is exactly the kind of step we need to take," Daniels said. www.courierpress.com/ecp/news/article/0,1626,ECP_734_4560479,00.html [/quote] I like that last sentence from Daniels, he understands the meaning of the Second Amendment.
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Post by snakeeye on Mar 22, 2006 16:50:37 GMT -5
My Man Mitch rules!
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Post by kevin1 on Mar 22, 2006 18:07:49 GMT -5
At the risk of being the Camby's advocate ...
Is this not a form of gun registration ? I can't say that I don't like the thought of lifetime permission to carry , I just wonder who keeps the records and for how long they're kept . More to the point , who will have access to them and under what circumstances will access be granted . Who will grant it ? Will I even know if someone is snooping my permit or wants to ? If the NRA endorses it then I'm usually ok with it too , have they ?
Seriously , there are some unanswered questions here . The road to the slippery slope begins with a single small step(of acceptance) .
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Post by jcceadotcom on Mar 22, 2006 20:02:54 GMT -5
At the risk of being the Camby's advocate ... Is this not a form of gun registration ? I can't say that I don't like the thought of lifetime permission to carry , I just wonder who keeps the records and for how long they're kept . More to the point , who will have access to them and under what circumstances will access be granted . Who will grant it ? Will I even know if someone is snooping my permit or wants to ? If the NRA endorses it then I'm usually ok with it too , have they ? Seriously , there are some unanswered questions here . The road to the slippery slope begins with a single small step(of acceptance) . I havent seen the application but I doubt it will be much different than the current permit. As soon as we get one at the Sheriffs dept I'll look them over and let you know. I would only hope they keep the information for a very long time. I would hate to lose my permit and have to go through the whole process again.
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Post by hoosier on Mar 22, 2006 23:23:28 GMT -5
I cannot believe that this legislation is passed! Will someone pinch me please!?!? Common sense IS alive within some Governmental decision-making. Snakeeye took the words right out of my mouth...MY MAN MITCH!!!!!! Not only is the lifetime license fantastic, but the other concerning use of force is too. God forbid that I would EVER have to use a firearm to protect myself, but the black and white of being able to defend onesself if home or car are being broke into just makes sense! Maybe this will give any evildoers pause to reconsider their actions.
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Post by drs on Mar 23, 2006 7:31:53 GMT -5
Most of the Gun Laws are FEDERAL. Please don't be taken in by "Our Man Mitch" just because he okayed a STATE gun law. There are many State issues he and his administration have bungled, that need to be addressed besides gun laws. Things like leasing our Roads to a foreign company, ect.
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Post by hunter480 on Mar 23, 2006 12:07:35 GMT -5
Most of the Gun Laws are FEDERAL. Please don't be taken in by "Our Man Mitch" just because he okayed a STATE gun law. There are many State issues he and his administration have bungled, that need to be addressed besides gun laws. Things like leasing our Roads to a foreign company, ect. You`re right, there still are issues to confront, and for sure, no one will be perfect and give all of us everything we want-but I will be a ONE issue voter if need be, and for Daniels to make the statement he did about understanding what the Second Amendment means and this being an important step-that`s huge. It`s awesome to have someone in office who understands, and is enthusiastic about doing what`s right. As far as I`m concerned, if we don`t have our Second Amendment rights, nothing else matters anyway.
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Post by duff on Mar 23, 2006 12:17:02 GMT -5
Come on DRS you been moaning about the State of Indiana being anti gun for the last 6 months or so and when this comes down you still moan about Daniels!!!!
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Post by drs on Mar 23, 2006 13:21:51 GMT -5
Come on DRS you been moaning about the State of Indiana being anti gun for the last 6 months or so and when this comes down you still moan about Daniels!!!! Personally this Republican didn't vote for Daniels, but rather I voted for the Libertarian Candidate. Just because he signed a couple of Gun bills doesn't make him the ideal Governor. In my opinion, which I am entitled to; Mitch Danials is not exactly an "Environmental" friendly Governor. Whenever one starts tearing up Farms & Wildlife Habitat for the sake of Big Business & building new highways; I question his or hers decissions about environmental concerns, or lack there of. Polls show his popularilty is dropping fast, like G.W. Bush's.
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Post by hunter480 on Mar 23, 2006 13:50:09 GMT -5
Come on DRS you been moaning about the State of Indiana being anti gun for the last 6 months or so and when this comes down you still moan about Daniels!!!! Personally this Republican didn't vote for Daniels, but rather I voted for the Libertarian Candidate. Just because he signed a couple of Gun bills doesn't make him the ideal Governor. In my opinion, which I am entitled to; Mitch Danials is not exactly an "Environmental" friendly Governor. Whenever one starts tearing up Farms & Wildlife Habitat for the sake of Big Business & building new highways; I question his or hers decissions about environmental concerns, or lack there of. Polls show his popularilty is dropping fast, like G.W. Bush's. drs-I wholeheartedly agree with you, I don`t care for the I-69 deal at all, and there are one or two other things I take issue with, and no one said he was the ideal Governor. You`ve got to love the pro-Second Amendment stance though. No one is ever going to give me, or anyone everything they want, but if they`re Second Amendment friendly, they’ve got my vote-Every time.
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Post by drs on Mar 23, 2006 13:58:45 GMT -5
hunter480, I am also happy that atleast Daniels signed the bills concerning guns, and also happy he is pro gun & Second Amendment. However I just don't think he is a good Governor, which has nothing to do with him personally. Some are Government material and some are not. My younger Sister works at Eili Lilly, and knew him, when he was on the board there. He is a nice man and no doubt he is trying to do what "He" thinks is right, but he just too "pro Big Business" and not enought of a "People" Governor. I hope I don't get "Roasted" here as like I told "Duff" I am entitled to my opinion.
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Post by hunter480 on Mar 23, 2006 14:03:21 GMT -5
hunter480, I am also happy that atleast Daniels signed the bills concerning guns, and also happy he is pro gun & Second Amendment. However I just don't think he is a good Governor, which has nothing to do with him personally. Some are Government material and some are not. My younger Sister works at Eili Lilly, and knew him, when he was on the board there. He is a nice man and no doubt he is trying to do what "He" thinks is right, but he just too "pro Big Business" and not enought of a "People" Governor. I hope I don't get "Roasted" here as like I told "Duff" I am entitled to my opinion. I`ll never "roast" you, even if we disagree-you certainly are entitled to your opinion. I`m just so rabid Second Amendment, I really do believe if it all comes down to just one thing, it`s got to be that, all the time. And I wouldn`t take anything here personally-I think people just are passionate about all these issues, and they get very emotional about it all. I`m sure no one means anything against you personally.
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Post by drs on Mar 23, 2006 14:12:03 GMT -5
Thanks, Greg! Here is an excerpt from an article that was written concerning Daniels, I do not know how accurate it is but here it is:
Our Gov. Daniels' previous deals, other than public, which he did before becomming Governor was as listed below: IPALCO-- Daniels reported a sound economic situation to stock holders, then sold his IPALCO stock for "ethics reasons". ..."retirees and workers lost millions when the new company's stock crashed. ... Daniels made a profit of more than $500,000 when he sold his IPALCO stock".
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