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Post by cambygsp on Oct 21, 2005 3:38:29 GMT -5
ONE LAST THING>>>>>>>> HOW MANY of you that are ready to cast your vote will be attending a meeting HERE in in INDIANA this week trying to preserve hunting rights and the quality of our forests so that there is actually something there to hunt? How many of you will be reviewing material an staying up till 2 am writing emails and making contacts to make sure sportsmen rights are preserved? HOW MANY of YOU go out of your way to county council meetings that aren't even in your county or where you hunt and try to stand up for some injustice that is about to come down on sportsmen. ( EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THAT FIGHT!)... SORRY but I try an avoid the Lime Light and I haven't been contacted by PMS NBC to do a feature on my efforts! And frankly I don't care. I merely make a stand for ethics, tradition, common sense, and my kids............. THATS MY AGENDA and my only need for glorification.............. cast your votes............... I have said my peace........... I only ask that WOODY leave this thread up long enough for all to see the TRUTH! Lots of good people here.... ......... And I wish them all the best........................ Have a Joyful safe hunting season! Good post Gundude, From your above post is sounds like you and Ted Nugent have alot of common ground. He is pretty active also! www.tednugent.com/You can browse his site and see all the things Ted works on. I think the Camp for Kids is one of his better ideas! |
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 21, 2005 8:43:35 GMT -5
Well…..the “Nuge” thread is off on a tangent again. Does some members have an agenda on here? Why sure.. Most folks have an agenda that they firmly believe in and push whenever they can. That is nothing new to this site or ANY OTHER SITE.“ YOU can use BAIT in Texas too can’t you? Kinda like the thread posted here under “ENOUGH?  ?” “ I firmly recognize that some individuals will attempt to bait others into saying something they normally wouldn’t say. I have admonished certain people for going onto other sites and “bringing it back here”. That wasn’t breaking the rules , but it was certainly pushing the envelope. No one is going to be “punished or BANNED for not conforming”. Except for “not conforming “to the rules of civil debate. “Is that how it works here? An open party vote or is it just a few who decide?” No one is voting anyone “off the island” except the moderators and myself. That will ONLY be done according to the rules of this board that EVERYONE agreed to when they signed on. BTW – I’ve edited your post where you deride this board. You may disagree with the way this board is operated and can PM myself or any of the moderators at any time to discuss it. Posting your displeasure on the open forum is a violation of the rules. Check it out. huntingindiana.proboards52.com/index.cgi?board=rulesI don’t believe that we get a chance to elect any “spokesperson for our cause”. They seemed to just show up there. As I said I do agree with Nuge on some things and I don’t on others. You have pretty well said the same thing, Correct?
ALL – I said in the initial post of mine that - "BTW members... the other thread on "Nuge" was not locked because of the subject matter , but of personal attacks that were starting up. That was nipped in the bud. Keep this one clean and we can talk about "Nuge" all we want to......or until the cows come home.....or whichever happens first..... ”
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Post by duff on Oct 21, 2005 8:49:56 GMT -5
Man guys, I was just making a half assed attemt at a lame joke.  I had just got done watching the show, and found Gundudes request fitting. So everyone take a deep breath. Besides I have no influence on how things go on around here. If you just choose to take certain posters with a grain of salt it helps. I have learned over the years on HH.com and IS.com that if you allow yourself to get drug into some of the foolish debates that seem to be caused by a few individuals it just took me down a direction I didn't like to go. I continue to ignore those types of post. Many times any rational thought was ignored because the 3 or4 main posters were more interested in fighting one another. Camby has always been one of them. Sorry to those who might have been offended! |
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Post by mbogo on Oct 21, 2005 18:01:33 GMT -5
Everyone has the option to ignore any posts or posters that they disagree with. More importantly everyone is encouraged to engage in civil, reasoned debate of any topic that is brought up. However, there seems to be a misconception among some that the proper way to win an argument is to shout the opposing side down and then make personal attacks if that fails. That is not tolerated here.
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Post by gundude on Oct 21, 2005 18:30:57 GMT -5
Man guys, I was just making a half assed attemt at a lame joke. I had just got done watching the show, and found Gundudes request fitting. So everyone take a deep breath. Besides I have no influence on how things go on around here. If you just choose to take certain posters with a grain of salt it helps. I have learned over the years on HH.com and IS.com that if you allow yourself to get drug into some of the foolish debates that seem to be caused by a few individuals it just took me down a direction I didn't like to go. I continue to ignore those types of post. Many times any rational thought was ignored because the 3 or4 main posters were more interested in fighting one another. Camby has always been one of them. Sorry to those who might have been offended! Wasn't offened in any way at all Duff.. |
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Post by gundude on Oct 21, 2005 18:32:45 GMT -5
Everyone has the option to ignore any posts or posters that they disagree with. More importantly everyone is encouraged to engage in civil, reasoned debate of any topic that is brought up. However, there seems to be a misconception among some that the proper way to win an argument is to shout the opposing side down and then make personal attacks if that fails. That is not tolerated here. I wasnt shouting anyone down. Just stated facts....... you know that even though they may make you uncomfortable for you to hear |
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Post by gundude on Oct 21, 2005 18:40:08 GMT -5
ONE LAST THING>>>>>>>> HOW MANY of you that are ready to cast your vote will be attending a meeting HERE in in INDIANA this week trying to preserve hunting rights and the quality of our forests so that there is actually something there to hunt? How many of you will be reviewing material an staying up till 2 am writing emails and making contacts to make sure sportsmen rights are preserved? HOW MANY of YOU go out of your way to county council meetings that aren't even in your county or where you hunt and try to stand up for some injustice that is about to come down on sportsmen. ( EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THAT FIGHT!)... SORRY but I try an avoid the Lime Light and I haven't been contacted by PMS NBC to do a feature on my efforts! And frankly I don't care. I merely make a stand for ethics, tradition, common sense, and my kids............. THATS MY AGENDA and my only need for glorification.............. cast your votes............... I have said my peace........... I only ask that WOODY leave this thread up long enough for all to see the TRUTH! Lots of good people here.... ......... And I wish them all the best........................ Have a Joyful safe hunting season! Good post Gundude, From your above post is sounds like you and Ted Nugent have alot of common ground. He is pretty active also! www.tednugent.com/You can browse his site and see all the things Ted works on. I think the Camp for Kids is one of his better ideas! AHH yes camp for kids... A great program. So is his work for the NRA!........... Now for the flip side he is helping to ruin the very sport we love because is a strong supporter of the HIGH FENCE OPERTATIONS!.......... Now lets think for a moment shall we? When these thing are aloud to continue it is merely a matter of time that CWD runs rampeted through our wild herd...... And then there will be no need for a " camp for kids" or to go hunting with whatever weapon you choose! So coninue you to support " THE MAN" if you choose but at some point in the future it will be to your own demise and you will no longer have an agenda to fight for...... How about instead of singing the MANS praises, spend a little time on his site and try an educate him...... good luck with that! |
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 21, 2005 19:33:00 GMT -5
Well personally, I think High Fence Hunting HAS a place.....JUST NOT IN INDIANA!!!!!....No actually, I don't even have a problem with them here....as long as they "grow their own" and don't ship tame deer from pen to pen. It's the INCREASED threat of CWD that I have a problem with.
Look at Big Oaks, Crane and those places....Big demand to hunt inside those fences....of course they grow their own inside the fence and it don't cost $$20,000.00 to hunt there.
They seem to do real well with high fence ranches in Texas too!
As for Ted, I don't like his music, I'm more of a Willie Nelson fan when it comes to music.
What I do like about Ted is that he stands up for this sport, and is willing to go toe to toe with anyone to defend it. I like his "pureness" and I like the anti-drug message he always sends the kids.
I had a long (private) discussion with a person from TNUSA the other night. She was very well aware of the "Indiana Scandle", and explained that Nugent supports ALL types of hunting and he refuses to draw a line between hunters.
If you take a closer look at what Ted does, and how he promotes hunting, you will discover that he aint even a trophy hunter.....let me correct that......every animal is a "trophy".
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Post by gundude on Oct 21, 2005 20:47:06 GMT -5
Camby,
Iv'e killed many a grouse on the OUTSIDE of the Crane fence.......... Trust me, the deer aren't contained........... Again your point is mere spin........... I wont waste my time looking up your previous posts concerning HIGH FENCE shooting zoos. But if memory serves me correctly, YOU were all for a BAN on such operations...... Now it would seem that you are willing to straddle the fence on this issue if it could possibly lead to a new advocate for your cause?
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Post by mbogo on Oct 21, 2005 21:00:17 GMT -5
Fair enough, I understand your position but lets take a closer look at the other side of the issue, shall we?
If groups of mis-guided, but well intentioned people continue to get every form of hunting they don't personally agree with banned, then what will be left? It seems to me that supporting hunting as a whole is far more important than supporting whatever faction I agree most with.
As I see it these misguided people are a much greater threat than CWD. CWD was originally discovered over 35 years ago and after all this time affects less than 15% of the hardest hit population ( a single elk population in Colorado). Most infected populations are at less than 5%. How much hunting opportunity has been lost in that same span of time? How often were these losses due to other hunters that didn't agree with trapping, baiting, hunting with dogs, hunting certain animals, or using certain weapons?
While it is tempting to blame "high fenced" operations for CWD since it was first discovered there, it is important to remember that this enclosure was a research facility. None of the deer from this facility were sold to game farms and all were destroyed once the disease was discovered. So how then did the disease spread to other states when none of these animals were transported anywhere? There are two obvious answers to this question, both of which are almost completely ignored. It makes absolutely no sense to fixate on one possible reason and completely ignore other equally likely answers.
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 22, 2005 13:43:35 GMT -5
Camby, Iv'e killed many a grouse on the OUTSIDE of the Crane fence.......... Trust me, the deer aren't contained........... Again your point is mere spin........... I wont waste my time looking up your previous posts concerning HIGH FENCE shooting zoos. But if memory serves me correctly, YOU were all for a BAN on such operations...... Now it would seem that you are willing to straddle the fence on this issue if it could possibly lead to a new advocate for your cause? Gundude, We are off topic....but your memory aint what it used to be. Nope! I made it very clear that I felt the best thing the IDNR could do is outlaw the shipments of cervid....statewide! To this day, I still don't have a problem with landowners that fence their property and MANAGE the resources that are there. Opposing the shipments is not anti hunting. Shipping tame deer into the enclosures for folks to "buy here- kill here" is not very sporting. But I aint mad that they banned the businesses..... I guess we will have to wait and see if it holds up. |
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Post by gundude on Oct 22, 2005 14:12:39 GMT -5
Camby, Iv'e killed many a grouse on the OUTSIDE of the Crane fence.......... Trust me, the deer aren't contained........... Again your point is mere spin........... I wont waste my time looking up your previous posts concerning HIGH FENCE shooting zoos. But if memory serves me correctly, YOU were all for a BAN on such operations...... Now it would seem that you are willing to straddle the fence on this issue if it could possibly lead to a new advocate for your cause? Gundude, We are off topic....but your memory aint what it used to be. Nope! I made it very clear that I felt the best thing the IDNR could do is outlaw the shipments of cervid....statewide! To this day, I still don't have a problem with landowners that fence their property and MANAGE the resources that are there. Opposing the shipments is not anti hunting. Shipping tame deer into the enclosures for folks to "buy here- kill here" is not very sporting. But I aint mad that they banned the businesses..... I guess we will have to wait and see if it holds up. More spin Camby........ Man your grasping at straws here. First Crane is a HIGH fence Opreation and then you say you have no problem with guys supporting this practice and to top it off you think it's not very sporting!.lol You could screw up a ball bearing with a polishing rag!........ Thats ok, TED supports you but I don't and the the SPIN STOPS RIGHT HERE! |
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 22, 2005 17:35:29 GMT -5
Can anyone tell me....does Crane have a high fence around their property?
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Post by hornharvester on Oct 22, 2005 19:39:25 GMT -5
cambygps,
crane has both high fence and low fence. i saw both last year while hunting there. it costs 40.00 for two people to hunt so i guess the state and the government are into fenced in hunting.
another one in particular is Newport storage depot where the government stores the VX gas. it has a high fence and arm patrols and hasn't been hunted since 9-11 attacks but you didn't have to pay either.
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Post by jackc99 on Oct 22, 2005 19:40:30 GMT -5
Yep. I've watched deer crawl right under it.
Jack
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 22, 2005 20:10:09 GMT -5
Yep. I've watched deer crawl right under it. Jack I know there are sections of Big Oaks fence that deer can escape also....but there are also very long sections (miles) that are escape proof!!! The BIG difference is that the deer are allowed to "naturally occur" inside these places. You go in there to hunt and you take what you can get....no guarentees! It's **THIS** type of high fence hunting that I have no problem with. The deer are not shipped in to be sold to the highest paying customer. If a fella had enough land like these places, and wanted to fence it and manage the resources inside the fence, without introducing TAME deer.....I don't think as many would be against it. It's the "buy here-kill here" operations that give hunting a black eye! |
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Post by gundude on Oct 22, 2005 21:44:00 GMT -5
CAMBY,
Just a little advice.. When you find yourself in a hole you can't get out of, put down the shovel....
Take a little time off the keyboard and spend a little more time educating yourself and then take some time away from hunting and the INTERNET to make some solid changes and improvements for REAL sportsmen...... ( I know that wont happen but i wanted to give you something to think about.)
Or you can go and become a member of the great ambassador of sportsmen " Ted Nugent" and try and find your much needed 15 minutes of fame there. ( maybe not because there is to much competition for you to become the center of attention?)
Not a personal attack, just some sound advice...........
Your cause is clear, your facts are flawed, and the more you post, the more it becomes clear to the undecided.....
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 23, 2005 2:27:50 GMT -5
Thanks for the advice Gundude......*IF* and when I find myself in a hole I will try to remember that!
However, EVERY time I go hunting I am helping to make "solid changes and improvements for REAL sportsmen"......... Do a little research on the "Pittman-Robertson Act" and you will soon learn that !!
And....what the FACTS are is.....your either **Pro-Hunting** or you are not!.....You can't be BOTH!....sorry, but that is FACT! To suggest that anyone take time away from hunting is just absurd!
P.S.
Just because you say it's NOT a personal attack....doesn't hide the FACT that it is!
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Post by gundude on Oct 23, 2005 10:09:49 GMT -5
Thanks for the advice Gundude......*IF* and when I find myself in a hole I will try to remember that! However, EVERY time I go hunting I am helping to make "solid changes and improvements for REAL sportsmen"......... Do a little research on the "Pittman-Robertson Act" and you will soon learn that !! And....what the FACTS are is.....your either **Pro-Hunting** or you are not!.....You can't be BOTH!....sorry, but that is FACT! To suggest that anyone take time away from hunting is just absurd! P.S. Just because you say it's NOT a personal attack....doesn't hide the FACT that it is! I stand corrected CAMBY. You are right, for me to spend my Tuesday evening at a meeting trying to make sure that we still have some kind of quality hunting in this STATE while you are out in the woods is TRULY ABSURD! I guess I am anti hunting  ? |
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 23, 2005 10:45:00 GMT -5
Isn't that meeting at 7:00 PM?....I won't be out in the woods at 7:00 PM
No Gundude, going to a meeting don't make one a ANTI-HUNTER.....but it's kinda odd that you would be so harsh on Nugent....for being active, when you two seem to share LOTS of common ground, Especially in the area of making sure that sporting folks have some kind of quality hunting.
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I had just got done watching the show, and found Gundudes request fitting. 
