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Post by Hoosier Hunter on Sept 19, 2005 18:45:08 GMT -5
I've got something that's coming and eating my chickens. I lost one last week and another one today.
It's happening during the day. My fence is 6 feet high with no roof.
Both chickens had the heads removed and gone and the rib cage was ripped open and all the insides gone. Legs, back were undisturbed and all feathers intact. I had a couple tell me it's a weasel but now that I know it's happening during the day I'm not sure about that.
I have a cat that's very territorial and she is scared of the chickens and stays any from the pen and won't let any other cat around in the yard.
Any suggestions?
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Post by John on Sept 19, 2005 19:45:50 GMT -5
If there is no holes around the botttom, then it's coming from the sky, probably in the form of a Hawk or Falcon type Bird, just a guess though. If it's climbing in and out then you shuld see some evidence in the form of foot prints or somthing to that effect.
john
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Post by Indyhunter on Sept 19, 2005 20:49:49 GMT -5
Some folks I use to hunt on near Clinton had several chickens killed by Hawks. He had no idea what it was until he actually saw a hawk come out of nowhere and land right on top of one of the chickens (he assumed breaking it's neck) then fly back into a tree waiting on the chicken to die. He would find the carcas under a tree or in a seperate field behind his house. In your case I can't imagine that if it is a Hawk that there wouldn't be more of a mess, as in feathers scattered everywhere or the carcass even carried off before it is eaten. Odd. I'm wondering if it isn't a Dikfer.
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Post by Hoosier Hunter on Sept 19, 2005 20:59:15 GMT -5
Indyhunter, I'm not going to ask what that is... ;D
Where the chicken wire meets the ground I have it tacked to landscape timbers and those are held in place with 24" long rebars I drove into the ground.
I have just found a small hole about the size of a childs fist where it appears that something may have been going under. Seems pretty small for critters I've seen in my area.
Tonight I have fence over the top and filled in the hole with gravel.
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Post by duff on Sept 19, 2005 21:45:19 GMT -5
mink or weasle
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Post by raporter1 on Sept 20, 2005 8:36:31 GMT -5
Mink or weasle would be my guess as well.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Sept 20, 2005 9:02:55 GMT -5
Time to hang a trail cam to identify the preditor.
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Post by kevin1 on Sept 20, 2005 10:41:12 GMT -5
Set a snare where the hole opens up and see what you catch .
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Post by duff on Sept 20, 2005 14:43:08 GMT -5
Or a 110 conibear
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Post by steiny on Sept 20, 2005 18:58:30 GMT -5
I'd bet hawk or owl. My neighbor had an owl getting his hens a couple months ago, also in broad daylight.
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Post by hoosier on Sept 20, 2005 20:10:36 GMT -5
Mink/Weasel would just take the head or back of neck only, not open them up.
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Post by trapperdave on Sept 20, 2005 20:21:16 GMT -5
weasle
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Post by gundude on Sept 20, 2005 21:49:33 GMT -5
BILL CLINTON!
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Sept 21, 2005 7:53:40 GMT -5
Good one gundude!!!!!!!
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Post by Indyhunter on Sept 21, 2005 16:27:25 GMT -5
gundude, several people already said weasle.
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Post by Hoosier Hunter on Sept 21, 2005 18:20:59 GMT -5
I have a mesh top on it now and filled the hole with gravel. Rather quite now but the chickens are nervous as heck
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Post by duff on Sept 21, 2005 21:23:14 GMT -5
Google does some easy research.
What killed my chickens and what can I do about it?
The usual predators of chickens are raccoons, foxes, weasels, and coyote. If you find an explosion of feathers, the culprit was probably a raccoon or fox, although owls and hawks have been known to grab chickens. Raccoons will go after caged animals, pulling a head or feet through the fence and eating them. They are very adept with their paws, and will often drag off a bird and eat all of the meat, leaving an almost intact carcass. If you find dead chickens with wounds around the neck and the crop eaten, the likely culprit is a weasel. Weasels will sometimes try to drag the carcass of the chicken through a small hole. Dogs will kill a chicken and often not eat it. Opossums and skunks rob eggs and will eat chicks. Spreading finely powdered lime around the chicken coop may show up identifiable foot prints, or snake tracks, of the predator.
Scarecrows and similar devices are rarely effective against determined chicken predators. Jerry Fry, in Missouri, keeps a scarecrow in his chicken yard, and each evening changes the position of the scarecrow and puts his sweaty shirt from that day on the scarecrow, claiming that no downwind predator will ever come close to the area. Blinking red lights, like the Niteguard may help against owls. Some chicken owners report that a radio in the coop playing country & western music deters weasels, foxes, and raccoons.
The only effective protection against most chicken predators is to lock the chickens in a safe coop at night. Secure wire fencing, either with the bottom buried or with a strand of barbed wire along the ground, and with no holes or weak points, will do the job against raccoons and foxes. Raccoons especially are clever enough to scout a fence for a weak spot. PVC fencing on heavy rebar posts (surplus mine roof bolts, for example), is effective for fowl, especially with electric scare wires at 2 inches and 7 inches off the ground around the exterior perimeter. PVC fencing 5.5 feet high, with a pattern roughly like a chain-link fence, has been used to protect and hold chickens, emus, guineas, peafowl, and geese. One supplier of PVC fencing is BF Products in Harrisburg PA (1.800.255.8397).
If the problem is weasels, you will need either solid walls and doors for the coop, or a fine mesh fencing like hardware cloth. A weasel can get through a quarter-sized hole, and when one gets into a coop they can do a lot of killing in one night.
Netting over a fenced-in run may be necessary to deter hawks and owls. Be sure to put some visible barrier up with the netting, such as surveyors tape; otherwise the netting may be invisible to the raptors, especially at night.
If your own dog is the problem, some farms have reported success in teaching a dog not to chase chickens by tying a dead chicken around the dog's neck for a few days. It is also possible to train a dog to not chase chickens. There are reports of Anatolian shepherd dogs trained to guard poultry, and Anne Williams, in Darien, Connecticut, has trained her huge Irish wolfhounds to round up the chickens each day and bring them into the coop. The dogs carry the chickens in their mouths and hardly ruffle a feather.
An alternative to coops, which works in some areas, especially with tough breeds of chickens like Modern Games, is to allow the chickens to roost in nearby trees. If you can't always get home to lock them in a coop, or if predators have terrorized free-ranging chickens so they're reluctant to go into a coop at night, allowing them to roost in trees may protect them from most predators. Chickens roosting in trees are vulnerable to owls, racccoons, and occasionally foxes, bobcats, or bold feral cats.
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Post by Hoosier Hunter on Sept 22, 2005 17:13:11 GMT -5
Well, lost chicken #3 today. As I mentioned the other day I installed a mesh roof over top. However being black made it almost invisible to see and the HAWK never saw it and crashed right thru it. So when I got home from work today was a very upset hawk trying to get out. I left the door open but it didn't want to come out. I ended up taking a long stick and going in the cage and it grabbed a hold of it and I walked it to the door. From there it walked out into the grass and just stood there for about 5 minute. It eventually flew off. I took some pictures and I'll post them. I can't find my download wire right now. Congrats to john & Steiny..... I don't know what's up with that small hole I found, hopefully nothing. I hope the hawk went thru enough trauma that he wont return. My chickens were terrified after spending a day with a hawk
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Post by Indyhunter on Sept 22, 2005 19:41:44 GMT -5
You going to give them some free eggs as a prize?
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Post by gundude on Sept 22, 2005 22:01:13 GMT -5
Hawk, Weazel, CLINTON...... same thing
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