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350 Legend
Sept 27, 2023 15:38:51 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Sept 27, 2023 15:38:51 GMT -5
Exactly…. They’re not going to measure factory ammunition and if they do it would most likely be the case length IMO! Almost like splitting hairs….If there doing all that then there is most likely something else going on.
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Post by BigJLocke on Sept 27, 2023 20:24:05 GMT -5
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Post by omegahunter on Sept 28, 2023 10:38:49 GMT -5
Certain manufacturers don’t have the diameter of .357. Just have to make sure yours are. None of them do. They are all 0.355" bullets in the 350 Legend. A properly cut SAAMI throat (0.357") will not accept a legal diameter bullet. Per the passed code, the bullet has to be 0.357" or larger for use on public ground. I can't even find anywhere in code that names the cartridge as legal. It is just a sentence stated in the reg book; I don't believe that makes it code.
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350 Legend
Sept 28, 2023 11:14:31 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Sept 28, 2023 11:14:31 GMT -5
Certain manufacturers don’t have the diameter of .357. Just have to make sure yours are. None of them do. They are all 0.355" bullets in the 350 Legend. A properly cut SAAMI throat (0.357") will not accept a legal diameter bullet. Per the passed code, the bullet has to be 0.357" or larger for use on public ground. I can't even find anywhere in code that names the cartridge as legal. It is just a sentence stated in the reg book; I don't believe that makes it code. The Reg book is just ONE place that states it as legal..,The complete DNR website states it as Legal on Public Land
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Post by BigJLocke on Sept 28, 2023 11:23:09 GMT -5
Certain manufacturers don’t have the diameter of .357. Just have to make sure yours are. None of them do. They are all 0.355" bullets in the 350 Legend. A properly cut SAAMI throat (0.357") will not accept a legal diameter bullet. Per the passed code, the bullet has to be 0.357" or larger for use on public ground. I can't even find anywhere in code that names the cartridge as legal. It is just a sentence stated in the reg book; I don't believe that makes it code. Oh, but a conservation officer would NEVER check “factory ammunition…” shows what I know 😂 (sarcasm not intended for you)
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Post by omegahunter on Sept 28, 2023 12:08:52 GMT -5
None of them do. They are all 0.355" bullets in the 350 Legend. A properly cut SAAMI throat (0.357") will not accept a legal diameter bullet. Per the passed code, the bullet has to be 0.357" or larger for use on public ground. I can't even find anywhere in code that names the cartridge as legal. It is just a sentence stated in the reg book; I don't believe that makes it code. The Reg book is just ONE place that states it as legal..,The complete DNR website states it as Legal on Public Land Still doesn't make it code. If it's not code, it's not legal. DNR is just chosing to turn a blind eye to it without going to the trouble to actually make it legal.
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350 Legend
Sept 28, 2023 12:16:55 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Sept 28, 2023 12:16:55 GMT -5
The Reg book is just ONE place that states it as legal..,The complete DNR website states it as Legal on Public Land Still doesn't make it code. If it's not code, it's not legal. DNR is just chosing to turn a blind eye to it without going to the trouble to actually make it legal. You never know things could change…. I was definitely told per CO that they don’t check factory ammunition…. wildcat rounds are a different story they carry a case length card for that!
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Post by omegahunter on Sept 28, 2023 12:35:37 GMT -5
Still doesn't make it code. If it's not code, it's not legal. DNR is just chosing to turn a blind eye to it without going to the trouble to actually make it legal. You never know things could change…. I was definitely told per CO that they don’t check factory ammunition…. wildcat rounds are a different story they carry a case length card for that! Makes no sense to me that they stand their ground on the "almost" muzzleloader Nitrofire to not make it legal in muzzleloader season because it does not meet the code standard for a muzzleloader, but they will turn a blind eye to the 350 Legend when it in no way, shape, or form meets code standard for public land cartridges. Either enforce all the rules or none of them.
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Post by omegahunter on Sept 28, 2023 12:36:48 GMT -5
Still doesn't make it code. If it's not code, it's not legal. DNR is just chosing to turn a blind eye to it without going to the trouble to actually make it legal. You never know things could change…. I was definitely told per CO that they don’t check factory ammunition…. wildcat rounds are a different story they carry a case length card for that! And they wouldn't know a factory 350 Legend from a reloaded one in most instances.
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Post by BigJLocke on Sept 28, 2023 12:44:17 GMT -5
You never know things could change…. I was definitely told per CO that they don’t check factory ammunition…. wildcat rounds are a different story they carry a case length card for that! And they wouldn't know a factory 350 Legend from a reloaded one in most instances. EXACTLY. Who knows if it’s a “factory load.” But I hope they turn a blind eye to all rules in this instance because I really enjoy my 350 legend 😂
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Post by jjas on Sept 28, 2023 12:46:19 GMT -5
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Post by omegahunter on Sept 28, 2023 12:49:06 GMT -5
They can post what they want, but their bullets (and everyone else's for the 350 Legend) measure 0.355". Check the specs on Winchester's own component bullets: www.precisionreloading.com/cart.php#!l=WN&i=B350PP180
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Post by jjas on Sept 28, 2023 13:01:45 GMT -5
If you want to worry about .002 of an inch have @ it. It's been explained, accepted and approved for use and that's good enough IMO.
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350 Legend
Sept 28, 2023 13:08:32 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Sept 28, 2023 13:08:32 GMT -5
You never know things could change…. I was definitely told per CO that they don’t check factory ammunition…. wildcat rounds are a different story they carry a case length card for that! And they wouldn't know a factory 350 Legend from a reloaded one in most instances. They go by what stamped on gun 350 legend isn’t a wildcat round like the 35 rem or the 358 Hoosier them guns aren’t legal unless you wildcat the round aka trim the case …. Some claim they can trim the 45-70 and it’s legal on public land also.Them are examples of what is checked.
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Post by omegahunter on Sept 28, 2023 13:10:34 GMT -5
And they wouldn't know a factory 350 Legend from a reloaded one in most instances. They go by what stamped on gun 350 legend isn’t a wildcat round like the 35 rem or the 358 Hoosier them guns aren’t legal unless you wildcat the round aka trim the case …. Some claim they can trim the 45-70 and it’s legal on public land also. If trimming a 35 Remington is wildcatting, then putting a legal bullet in a 350 Legend would be too. lol
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Post by omegahunter on Sept 28, 2023 13:12:20 GMT -5
If you want to worry about .002 of an inch have @ it. It's been explained, accepted and approved for use and that's good enough IMO. Like I said, either enforce all the laws or none of them. 0.002" would get you a court date using a 350 Legend bullet in a .358 Hoosier. How is that fair?
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 28, 2023 13:13:30 GMT -5
Certain manufacturers don’t have the diameter of .357. Just have to make sure yours are. None of them do. They are all 0.355" bullets in the 350 Legend. A properly cut SAAMI throat (0.357") will not accept a legal diameter bullet. Per the passed code, the bullet has to be 0.357" or larger for use on public ground. I can't even find anywhere in code that names the cartridge as legal. It is just a sentence stated in the reg book; I don't believe that makes it code. I'd bet the ranch that the wording in the Regulation Book would stand up in a court of law. This is all a much ado about nothing. I guarantee no one will get cited for using a .350 Legend..ever.
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Post by omegahunter on Sept 28, 2023 14:06:38 GMT -5
None of them do. They are all 0.355" bullets in the 350 Legend. A properly cut SAAMI throat (0.357") will not accept a legal diameter bullet. Per the passed code, the bullet has to be 0.357" or larger for use on public ground. I can't even find anywhere in code that names the cartridge as legal. It is just a sentence stated in the reg book; I don't believe that makes it code. I'd bet the ranch that the wording in the Regulation Book would stand up in a court of law. This is all a much ado about nothing. I guarantee no one will get cited for using a .350 Legend..ever. Good thing you don't have a big ranch. Of course they won't. As such, they don't need to be looking at any rifle round anymore. Or the caliber of a muzzleloader, or how it is loaded. Throw out the baby with the bathwater.
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Post by titanium700 on Sept 28, 2023 14:48:53 GMT -5
None of them do. They are all 0.355" bullets in the 350 Legend. A properly cut SAAMI throat (0.357") will not accept a legal diameter bullet. Per the passed code, the bullet has to be 0.357" or larger for use on public ground. I can't even find anywhere in code that names the cartridge as legal. It is just a sentence stated in the reg book; I don't believe that makes it code. I'd bet the ranch that the wording in the Regulation Book would stand up in a court of law. This is all a much ado about nothing. I guarantee no one will get cited for using a .350 Legend..ever. Totally agreed.
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Post by jjas on Sept 29, 2023 8:54:24 GMT -5
I did some digging on this subject.... saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/350-Legend-Public-Introduction-Rev-2021-06-04.pdfI have read that the above (.003) allowed range is used there partly because Winchester was concerned with people loading .357 bullets for use in the .350 legend for @ least a couple of reasons. 1. Winchester was concerned that the pressures could spike too high if they were used. 2. Winchester was concerned that using pistol bullets in the .350 legend could cause those bullets to explode on impact as they weren't built for the additional velocity they would be subjected to when used in re-loaded .350 legend cases. BTW, if you look @ the .357 magnum SAAMI specs lead bullets are .359 for lead bullets and .358 for jacketed bullets which make the bullets larger than .357. BTW, the .003 allowed range is listed there as well. www.theballisticassistant.com/saami-pistol-cartridge-catalog/Why aren't people who are complaining about .350 legend specs being .355 (.002 under) not complaining about the .357 specs that are actually larger than .357 (.002) over? Bottom line, as I said yesterday. If you want to worry about .002 of an inch have @ it. It's been explained, accepted and approved for use and that's good enough IMO.
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