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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 10:09:51 GMT -5
There are many studies out there where wearing helmets can cause more serious injuries. Not all helmets should be used. Does this law state guidelines on the type of helmet? Wearing some helmets will be a false security.
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Post by firstwd on May 11, 2017 16:03:10 GMT -5
I want to know if a youth is involved in an accident without wearing a helmet will the parents be charged under this law. Also, how heavily will it be enforced without involving an accident.
Did you guys know that every ATV sold after 2004 are supposed to be registered and not just those being utilized on the road? The officers just enforce that law on those on the roads.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 19:54:17 GMT -5
Yes, per this part of the law.
Off- road vehicle safety. Requires off-road vehicle operators and riders less than 18 years of age to wear helmets, and prohibits the owner of an off-road vehicle from permitting a person less than 18 years of age to ride the off-road vehicle without a helmet.
Word "prohibits"
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 19:56:02 GMT -5
It is a public law which is very important. H 04/24/2017 Public Law 141
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 20:04:03 GMT -5
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Post by firstwd on May 11, 2017 20:25:22 GMT -5
Yes, I know they can, I wonder if they will.
I know my local CO will. He is also one that if he catches an unlicensed rider on the road he will press necessary charges to prevent them from getting their drivers license until they're 18.
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Post by featherduster on May 12, 2017 4:44:46 GMT -5
The reason for the titling of off road vehicles was to aid law enforcement in recovering stolen equipment. Prior to titling and individual would buy then sell a unit and if that unit is stolen the second owner most likely doesn't know the VIN for that unit so it can't be properly reported as stolen or when law enforcement recovers one if it's vin isn't document in some manner such as a title then there is no way to determine ownership.
And the state wants to collect taxes and a fee also.
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Post by Russ Koon on May 12, 2017 9:51:16 GMT -5
Featherduster, I suspect your first sentence covered the excuse, the second one was the reason.
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Post by firstwd on May 13, 2017 15:39:06 GMT -5
Yep, the state is taking in the dough. What is it, $30 for 3 years? That's less than boats that iirc are $12.50 per year.
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Post by jackryan on May 14, 2017 0:40:39 GMT -5
ATV and UTV should not be allowed on ANY PUBLIC street, road or highway in Indiana no matter who is driving it. At any time, for any reason.
If you want to drive it on the public highway then get a plate, license plate, and insurance like any other motorized vehicle.
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Post by firstwd on May 14, 2017 17:21:17 GMT -5
To operate on a public roadway they must be registered and insured. I agree they should have a plate. Other states have ORV plates and Indiana could easily change the color of motorcycle plates for ORV use. Make a plate be displayed on front and rear of the machine so it is clear and easy for enforcement officials to tell if the machine is road legal.
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Post by esshup on May 14, 2017 21:23:24 GMT -5
Here's one for you. Yesterday, at dusk, almost completely dark. Dark enough for the "auto" function on the truck to turn the headlights on. I'm going North on State Road 23, I see a blob in the oncoming lane. Turns out it is an old Honda 3 wheeler with what looks like a 5 year old sitting on the gas tank, and what looks like a young teenager driving. NO HEAD LIGHT OR TAIL LIGHTS. The what looked to be a 5 year old was in shorts, t-shirt and no shoes. Same for the driver. Of course no helmets. It looked like they were going 30 mph or better, but it was hard to tell because I didn't get a long look.
So, if they got pasted by a car or truck, whose fault would it be???
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Post by greghopper on May 14, 2017 22:20:35 GMT -5
If your driving left of center then it your fault...IMO
Now if they get ran over from behind that's another story!
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Post by firstwd on May 15, 2017 21:53:52 GMT -5
Here's one for you. Yesterday, at dusk, almost completely dark. Dark enough for the "auto" function on the truck to turn the headlights on. I'm going North on State Road 23, I see a blob in the oncoming lane. Turns out it is an old Honda 3 wheeler with what looks like a 5 year old sitting on the gas tank, and what looks like a young teenager driving. NO HEAD LIGHT OR TAIL LIGHTS. The what looked to be a 5 year old was in shorts, t-shirt and no shoes. Same for the driver. Of course no helmets. It looked like they were going 30 mph or better, but it was hard to tell because I didn't get a long look. So, if they got pasted by a car or truck, whose fault would it be??? That is so much of a mess I don't know where to begin.
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Post by Ahawkeye on May 31, 2017 5:20:03 GMT -5
I wish they'd ban 4 wheelers on all public roads and lands on top of that they should require all riders to wear a helmet. I'm tired of hearing about kids getting hurt, tired of seeing people drive them where they're not supposed to be and tired of the dumb things people do on them. I can see the need for one for farming and work I see no need for one beyond that. I'm not saying every person on a 4 wheeler is an idiot but idiots on 4 wheelers sure do stand out. I know that'll be a very unpopular position on this but I'm not running for president either.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on May 31, 2017 9:31:02 GMT -5
The link wouldn't work for me for some reason. Does one of the old style John Deere Gators count as a UTV? How about golf carts? The only time this would affect me is when my in-laws give the kids a ride on their gator. They never really exceed 5 mph, but I guess a law is a law.
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Post by greghopper on May 31, 2017 10:27:09 GMT -5
The link wouldn't work for me for some reason. Does one of the old style John Deere Gators count as a UTV? How about golf carts? The only time this would affect me is when my in-laws give the kids a ride on their gator. They never really exceed 5 mph, but I guess a law is a law. www.in.gov/activecalendar_dnr/EventList.aspx?view=EventDetails&eventidn=13483&information_id=30044&type=&syndicate=syndicateIts about any off-road vehicle (ORV) Effective July 1, state law will require children under age 18 to wear an approved helmet when riding any off-road vehicle (ORV) on public or private property in Indiana, including Interlake and Redbird state recreation areas.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on May 31, 2017 10:55:10 GMT -5
I looked up the code (Indiana Code 14-8-2-185) for definition of an ORV:
Sec. 185. (a) “Off-road vehicle”, for purposes of IC 14-16-1 and IC 14-19-1-0.5, means a motor driven vehicle capable of cross-country travel:
(1) without benefit of a road; and
(2) on or immediately over land, water, snow, ice, marsh, swampland, or other natural terrain.
(b) The term includes the following:
(1) A multiwheel drive or low pressure tire vehicle.
(2) An amphibious machine.
(3) A ground effect air cushion vehicle.
(4) An all-terrain vehicle (as defined in section 5.7 of this chapter).
(5) A recreational off-highway vehicle (as defined in section 233.5 of this chapter).
(6) Other means of transportation deriving motive power from a source other than muscle or wind.
(c) The term does not include the following:
(1) A farm vehicle being used for farming, including, but not limited to, a farm wagon (as defined in IC 9-13-2-60(a)(2)).
(2) A vehicle used for military or law enforcement purposes.
(3) A construction, mining, or other industrial related vehicle used in performance of the vehicle's common function, including, but not limited to, a farm wagon (as defined in IC 9-13-2-60(a)(3)).
(4) A snowmobile (as defined by section 261 of this chapter).
(5) A registered aircraft.
(6) Any other vehicle properly registered by the bureau of motor vehicles.
(7) Any watercraft that is registered under Indiana statutes.
(8) A golf cart vehicle.
So my interpretation is they'd need to wear one while on the Gator.
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Post by firstwd on May 31, 2017 15:23:05 GMT -5
Yes
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Post by medic22 on May 31, 2017 22:06:30 GMT -5
Hospitals write off billions of dollars a year for injured an uninsured persons. Thats the reason behind seat belt laws and helmet laws. This one is no different.
Motorcyclists just have better lobbyist in Indiana.
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