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Post by dbd870 on May 21, 2016 22:32:31 GMT -5
If you put a shotgun in the hands of 10 random turkey hunters and an air rifle in the hands of 10 random turkey hunters, you're telling me the air rifle will be more effective? And before you say it, I heard that air rifle hunting is not for everyone. The problem is that it will be legal for everyone. FWIW, I've never taken a bow into the turkey woods and never taken anyone that chose to bring a bow. You're going to have to take me out; then you can say you have!!!! I didn't get out very much this spring but when I did I never took a gun. It wasn't a compound either
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Post by airgun on May 22, 2016 7:31:37 GMT -5
dbd870, I am confused on your request. Are you wanting to go and shoot an air rifle, or to,see wild turkeys? Do you live in Indiana? If I may read into the last part of your posting I am presuming you took a recurve bow. One of my things on my bucket list to make a double laminate take down bow and to be able harvest a deer with it. I have looked at information and supplies to make one, I am needing to find a good piece of fire hose. Someday I will. It would have to be easier than making a strip conoe which I have and I NEVER use because I am afraid I will scratch it. Here is video of a strip conoe: youtu.be/CyGyLf4Ltf4Mine has western cedar, ash, and Purple Heart wood in it. It's very quick and not a beginner one.
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Post by airgun on May 22, 2016 8:04:29 GMT -5
Ok, I am wanting to bring this back to air rifles. It's apparent to me that air rifles are misunderstood so please bear with me on this next video. The video is about field target shooting with VERY expensive and extremely accurate air guns (these air rifles ARE NOT the ones that I would like to have in Indiana turkey season) I just want to show how different they are from the "Red Ryder" "your going to shoot your eye out" ones. Please enjoy: youtu.be/afUYzUAVDckWith admin. rules the NRC can make regulations to limit the type of air rifles, caliber, and power similar to calibers and gauges of other tools.
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Post by throbak on May 22, 2016 8:32:43 GMT -5
The last I heard was somewhere around 15 states allow rifles for spring turkey. You will probably find the biggest group opposed is the NWTF. If I was determined to turkey hunt with a rifle, air, cartridge or muzzle loader I would travel to a state where it is legal. If the NWTF is against it that's good enough for me I value their thoughts on things a.They put conservation on the ground and a lot of money in our state I'll stand by them
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Post by airgun on May 22, 2016 8:55:45 GMT -5
First of all the NWTF is NOT against having air rifles in turkey season in Indiana. I have called and have talked with several of the NWTF bio. and they personally do not have any concerns with them. However, the NWTF does not get involved into states regulations. There maybe members that will support or oppose air rifles but it's on a personal point of view NOT as the NWTF.
And as a member of the NWTF I am for it.
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Post by throbak on May 22, 2016 9:56:54 GMT -5
The NWTF stood up for Indiana In their opposition to Canned Hunting so they do stand up for states!! So I wouldn't be surprised that they have posted a opinion on this issue against BB guns for Turkey ,
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Post by dbd870 on May 22, 2016 10:56:19 GMT -5
I was just messing with him. He said he's never taken anyone out who bowhunted only for turkey and all I turkey hunted with this spring was a recurve; just saying we are out there
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Post by jjas on May 22, 2016 11:41:57 GMT -5
While I'm sure there are states that allow "air rifles" for turkey hunting, this is the first thread on any hunting forum that I've read that was pushing for the legalization of "air rifles" in Indiana.
And while I have ZERO interest in hunting turkey (or anything else) with an "air rifle", I couldn't possibly care less if it becomes legal @ some point in time.
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Post by airgun on May 22, 2016 11:44:15 GMT -5
throbak, "Canned hunt" farmers offering their livestock for hunting i.e. deer, quail, phansants ( I have never heard of any turkeys on the list) the "national organization" really would not have a interest in them. I will call a few of my friends and double check on it. Now I am positive there were members on both side of this topic.
As far as ("BB guns") this is about air rifles not any other. If you would send me a private message I would be glad to try to explain ther differences to you. Thank you in advance for giving me the opportunity to explain them to you.
dbd870, I would like to hear about your hunts sometime. Nice one I totally missed that one. I find it very interesting how people get caught up into what "they do" and forget about everybody else. Air rifles will not damage the turkey population nor it's habitat. Personally I do not care what is used as long as it will not damage the target game populations, the habitat, or the image of hunting. I know the more people that takes to the woods and fields each year and have a positive experience then hunting and the wildlife will benefit from it. In Europe they are so "anti guns" the air rifles have became to go to tool, now if they air rifle is too powerful they must have a license to own it. That is why the USA manufactured rifles are so much powerful than Ones in Europe. That's why when you see a YouTube video of hunting with air rifles in Europe they always go for a head shoot (instant kill). Happy hunting
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Post by airgun on May 22, 2016 12:28:26 GMT -5
jjas, only recently have air guns taken off in the USA. There are international, national, and local shooting competitions for them similar to the NRA rifles competitions. I just wish we had some here in Indiana I would try to show just how bad of a shot I am. They are a very inexpensive way of shooting and a lot of fun.
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Post by GS1 on May 22, 2016 12:33:28 GMT -5
I find it very interesting how people get caught up into what "they do" and forget about everybody else. I did not "forget" about anyone. I chose to not take people turkey hunting who chose to use archery gear. The chance of wounding a turkey is greater with archery equipment and I do not participate in any way.
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Post by throbak on May 22, 2016 12:37:02 GMT -5
Canned hunt Farmers , that's a new one ,, You don't have to explain the difference to me That is what most will see them as, I don't think Rifles of any kind or caliber should be allowed for turkey in Indiana like I've said before start with small game If your so inclined!
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Post by throbak on May 22, 2016 12:50:05 GMT -5
"""""In Europe they are so "anti guns" the air rifles have became to go to tool, now if they air rifle is too powerful they must have a license to own it."""" Doesn't it concern you that because of their acceptance in Europe as Non "Guns" that the use here might set the stage for the same deal in the USA and be used as a compromise for the anti gun groups ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png)
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Post by airgun on May 22, 2016 12:59:50 GMT -5
Canned hunt Farmers , that's a new one ,, You don't have to explain the difference to me That is what most will see them as, I don't think Rifles of any kind or caliber should be allowed for turkey in Indiana like I've said before start with small game If your so inclined! Do you think raccoons, coyotes are small game? They are legal to hunt with air rifles here in Indiana, if an air rifle can cleanly harvest them then a turkey is next. Just saying I heard your concerns and I am still going to push forward with it, maybe not this year but could be in the near future.
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Post by airgun on May 22, 2016 13:09:06 GMT -5
"""""In Europe they are so "anti guns" the air rifles have became to go to tool, now if they air rifle is too powerful they must have a license to own it."""" Doesn't it concern you that because of their acceptance in Europe as Non "Guns" that the use here might set the stage for the same deal in the USA and be used as a compromise for the anti gun groups Not at all. They are already here, being manufactured here, being hunted with. They are here to stay same as our firearms. Europe does not have the second amendment.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 22, 2016 15:40:46 GMT -5
Hunting tools can be whatever the law allows AND the Hunter wants to use. Just because a certain hunting tool is legal does not mean we have to use it.
I don't see a problem with anyone soliciting the DNR and the NRC to include their choice of hunting tool. It would be up to them to decide, after public input, if a certain hunting tool can be used or not. That is the way it has been for a long time...
Just because a hunter used hunting tool X instead of hunting tool Y does not make them any less a hunter .
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Post by airgun on May 22, 2016 17:21:19 GMT -5
Just because the majority of hunters at the public input meetings do not want more tools in the turkey woods does it mean the DNR and the NRC will vote the majority's way. I have seen it go both ways. Most of the time it's a social issue not one of bad tools. I will say if it's a topic that stays on their publics input agenda it will usually be addressed in favor of the tool. A good example would be the crossbows. Before someone throws me under the bus on this I will say I had mixed feeling on it, I did own one for awhile under a handicap permit (I have an issue with fingers pulling a standard bow) never hunted with it, I did not like how it sounded and cocking it was a bear. But that's my choice and I do not look down on someone using one in the field. Any tool that gets hunter into the woods and field in the sport of hunting enhances the natural resources and better protects hunting for future generations.
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Post by jackryan on May 22, 2016 21:11:58 GMT -5
Same Stuff, Different Day,.. Jack, You said the same thing about crossbows and deer and/or turkey hunting. If you are hunting turkeys or deer it doesn't matter what you have in your hands as long as it is legal - You ARE a turkey or deer hunter... I agree. If it's not legal, they they aren't turkey hunters.
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Post by airgun on May 23, 2016 18:01:14 GMT -5
Just how accurate are today's airrifles? First of all I will say these airrifles are not the ones you can find at your local sporting goods shop. Now with that out of the way I will say the Airguns that you can purchase at your local Walmart can shoot almost this good. Practice, practice, practice is the key. Please watch this video: youtu.be/fwwsKQwOdEEShooting this tight of pellet groups a turkey would be easily harvested.
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Post by GS1 on May 23, 2016 19:44:37 GMT -5
Just how accurate are today's airrifles? Doesn't matter how accurate the gun is if the person behind it doesn't put their time in. My muzzleloader can hit the same hole at 100 yards. Maybe it needs to be legal too.
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