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Post by indianagooseman on Dec 29, 2007 6:03:08 GMT -5
OK guys excuse me if I rant a little I'm a bit PO'd right now. Thursday I take this "buddy" of mine, who is from Indy, along with me and my regular hunting buddy on a hunt to a honey hole I found last year on the river and we shoot a few ducks. After our hunt I went to check out another spot I hunt when the river gets high enough to flood it and sure enough it's full...of water and birds. On the way back to the ramp ole buddy from Indy says I have a Friend I'm going to bring in the morning and I tell him there is not room in the boat for a 4th guy and he says well we are going to bring our boat and hunt one of those spots then. At this point I'm starting to get a little ticked off but I think to myself, I'm not greedy, that's fine. So Friday morning he shows up behind us at the ramp with 2 OTHER guys from Indy, they hunt the spot from the previous day and I go with my regular hunting buddies to the other spot which is within earshot of where they are. At 10:00 we head back to the ramp with our 3 man limit of mallards and a bonus wood duck, on the way we stop in where they are and they got skunked, so goes hunting right? Friday night the guy calls me to see if I'm hunting Saturday and I tell him no because the wife is sick but that my regular hunting partners are going back to the same spot we were on Friday and he says "well WE are going to beat them there, after all me and you are the ones that found that spot". I was floored! and after stewing on it all night I'm glad I couldn't go because I'm sure there would have been a confrontation. So, am I right to be  ed or what? I know the river is open to the public but I feel as those he is taking advantage of MY knowledge of the river and MY past scouting. |
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Post by bsutravis on Dec 29, 2007 7:11:37 GMT -5
You have every right to be ticked. It is public water but common courtesy should prevail. Nothing burns bridges faster than guys who outright swipe a spot that they were allowed to hunt through the hard work and scouting of that person. It's crap like that which makes guys not want to take newbies along, or allow a friend of a friend to tag along also on a hunt. There is a HUGE amount of mutual respect amongst the guys I hunt with. I wouldn't dream of heading anywhere near the spots I've been fortunate enough to hunt in order to scout in the anticipation of trying to get permission near their fields or honey holes....and I know that they wouldn't do it to me either. If I do come upon a spot that looks good, I tell THEM about where it is, and let THEM try to get permission since it's in their area and are more likely to know the owner or know if the property is huntable. The fact that this guy was a buddy would really irk me...... He'd definately be on my manure-list if I were in your waders.  |
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Post by tenring on Dec 29, 2007 7:20:44 GMT -5
Ever hear of the term "Claim Jumper?"
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Post by turkeyscout on Dec 29, 2007 8:21:26 GMT -5
well said bsutravis!!! i know the feeling, indianagooseman, i lost a past friend over deer hunting, i would do all the scouting and paying my dues, then my BIG mouth tells some past friends where i hunt mainly for safety sake,then they are scouting the area that i have permission on and they don't. JUST NO RESPECT ...we have to have ethics in hunting or our future is doomed!!!!..i just don't understand it! ....good luck in the future...........turkey scout
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 29, 2007 9:14:45 GMT -5
Well, you did learn one thing - this guy is not a "buddy" but a mooch.
Travis is right. Stuff like this kind of puts a damper on a waterfowler taking someone new.
I had the same thing happen a couple times in deer hunting.
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Post by homeslice5177 on Dec 29, 2007 9:33:15 GMT -5
My one buddy who introduced me to the river years ago has like 6 spots that we go to-together. I have only went without him once and that is because I asked if I could bring my cousin and my Father with because neither has hunted the river before. There was no problem with me doing that
I am kind of a XXXXX so if I was in your shoes I would probably have went off on your so called lazyazz friend and never brought the d-bag hunting again...but thats just me
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Post by bsutravis on Dec 29, 2007 9:53:32 GMT -5
OK Gooseman....... you've got your posse all ready. Now let's go kick the snot out of this guy. In all seriousness.... I don't think I'd be taking them to anymore hunting spots anytime soon! |
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 29, 2007 10:05:24 GMT -5
.......... I don't think I'd be taking them to anymore hunting spots anytime soon! Like in NEVER... |
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Post by jwkimber45 on Dec 29, 2007 10:25:10 GMT -5
Hummmm, this has an all too famiular tune to it........this is why i hunt with a select few that I trust, don't post pictures or stories on the 'net anymore etc etc etc......
Too many so called "buddies" who in reality are greedy a-holes
Sorry for your troubles gooseman, I feel your pain brother.
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Post by indianagooseman on Dec 29, 2007 10:39:35 GMT -5
It's crap like that which makes guys not want to take newbies along, or allow a friend of a friend to tag along also on a hunt. That's exactly where it has sent me!  |
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Post by indianagooseman on Dec 29, 2007 10:43:48 GMT -5
.......... I don't think I'd be taking them to anymore hunting spots anytime soon! Like in NEVER...You can bet the bank on that! I'm still tossing around the idea of throwing it all in his face and making a big stink, mostly for my benefit, or just peacefully erasing him from my list |
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Post by quackingtim on Dec 29, 2007 10:51:13 GMT -5
I would let him know why he will not be hunting w/you anymore.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 29, 2007 12:18:27 GMT -5
O.K. I'll play a bit of devil's advocate here, first let me say I'm about as protective of my hunting spots as a junk yard dog with a fresh cow bone. Now, if I pull up to one of my public ground spots and someone I dont know is hunting the area I'd be dissapointed but not mad especially if that hunting spot was on the river or lake that evryone has access to public is public. On the other hand if this said "friend" asked me if I was hunting a spot in the next couple of days and I said no and he asked if I minded if he hunted it, well guys it's a free country and noone paticular owns public ground. Now if it's private ground it's a whole differnt story in my book. In the case of "we're going to beat you to the spot because I know you plan on hunting it" I'd have to draw a line there. My brother gets whizzed at me if I bring some one bass fishing to some of our spots on public water the guy I bring only fishes with me and doesn't even own a boat yet my brother seems to think he's going to tell evry body wich I have told him it's very important not to tell any one. my brother also thinks their won't be any fish left, well we don't keep any fish. You can't do the same for ducks as far as not keeping them but all in all if it's public it's public. I have a problem with guys on public ground that think just because they have a tree stand up they are the only ones that can hunt that spot I believe not so if I walk into a spot I've scouted and no ones there I say I can hunt it if I walk in and there's a light flashing at me tough beans for me that's just the way it goes. I feel the guy in this story is a sleeze but what if you came up on this spot and some one you didn't know was there, and he had seen ducks on this spot in the past and was going to try it today, would he be a "claim jumper" too?
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Post by pigeonflier on Dec 29, 2007 12:28:22 GMT -5
I would say chaulk this one as--live and learn.. I am very carefull about who I take into my spots.. Public water is public water,, And respect is respect.. Myself ,, I would not be as nice..
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Post by hornharvester on Dec 29, 2007 12:39:09 GMT -5
In my area I'm known as a die hard hunter and fisherman by most of the locals so I have to be real careful of who I tell about where I'm hunting or fishing. I seldom tell anyone of my hunting spots on public ground but the ones that know my truck can just about figure out where I'm hunting.
I cant tell you how many times Ive taken someone to a spot fishing and return the next day and find them with one or two of their friends. Once while on some nice crappies I took my friend and we caught our limit. The next day i went back and there were two boats with him and his wife in one and his father and brother in-law in the other.
Now Ive got several spots I fish and a few that I hunt that produce but aren't what you consider honey holes and thats where I take most all of the people that go with me. I still have a few honey holes but keep them to myself.
A friends son who is a avid hunter wants me to show him all my spots on public ground that Ive hunted for over 30 years when I decide I cant hunt any more. With my bad back that time gets closer and closer each year and since he has two young boys that like to hunt I most likely will show him. h.h.
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 29, 2007 14:11:26 GMT -5
My experience with these type of "hunters" is that they are lazy by nature. Always looking for a honey hole that is a short commute, and doesn't take a lot of time and effort to hunt. So, if I take a new person waterfowling or deer hunting for the first time, it is going to be a buster. Long walk, nasty briars, but you know, good spot anyhow. They won't be back if they are lazy and/or don't want to help again with gas money, hauling gear, etc. If they pass the test, then probably a good hunting buddy that will respect your spots.
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Post by indianagooseman on Dec 29, 2007 15:54:02 GMT -5
but what if you came up on this spot and some one you didn't know was there, and he had seen ducks on this spot in the past and was going to try it today, would he be a "claim jumper" too? There are no "what ifs" here, it is a factual set of actions. What if a rock fell out of an airplane tire and hit me in the head? In the theoretical story your quoting the FACT would be he found the birds himself which would be fine and dandy BUT that's NOT what actually happened in my case is it? |
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Post by 10point on Dec 29, 2007 16:57:43 GMT -5
To answer your question your are right to be whized. I now I would be.
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Post by featherduster on Dec 29, 2007 19:19:57 GMT -5
The way I look at it you showed your ol buddy that spot. And like you said it is public land.
However by posting the fact that you killed a limit of mallards and a bonus woodie you just gave some people the idea to go look for all your spots.
Be careful who you hunt with and don't post or brag about your success.
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Post by quackingtim on Dec 29, 2007 21:16:39 GMT -5
A limit of mallards on the river. I'm hunting there tomorrow. Come on. This is the place to brag about your hunts. I shot these on the river. But I can only hunt there when my buddy hunts w/me. It's his spot, and I would have never known about it if he didn't tell me about it.  |
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