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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 3, 2013 8:51:12 GMT -5
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Post by swilk on Oct 3, 2013 9:05:23 GMT -5
Been following it for the last couple of days .....
Lots of thoughts .... the helmet cam guy has released other videos from the day showing how the "pack" was riding. Disregarding every traffic law a person could think of. They even rode past a traffic cop who just watched them go by .... a true mob mentality.
The incident itself was 1000% the fault of the bikers .... even if additional information had not been coming out (some true and some not true im sure) it would be the fault of the biker. For some reason the first guy decided to slow in front of the SUV and then brake check him into stopping.
If I was the driver I would have run the first guy over ..... I wouldnt have stopped after hitting him and allowed the rest of the pack to slash tires and try top gain access to my vehicle and my wife/child.
The whole thing is a mess and makes me mad watching it.
I just wonder how brave the rest of the pack would have been if the first guy to open the door was shot .... I know this was in NY and their laws are different but in the state of Indiana I believe our laws would have justified such action. Im gonna guess the rest of the cowards would have become less interested if the driver was capable of fighting back against such unfair numbers.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Oct 3, 2013 9:55:49 GMT -5
The rest probably would have jumped back on their bikes and scattered like cockroaches.. I do not know the specifics of the New York gun laws and bans, just that it is very difficult if not impossible to legally carry a gun there.
I agree, I would never have stopped. I would have wound it up, run over as many as I could (that were still pursuing), and not stopped until the cops had all the bikers off my tail.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 3, 2013 11:04:02 GMT -5
The guy had no choice but to STOP....all the traffic was stopped!!!!
A gun was his only answer and he didn't have one to use......
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Post by 36fan on Oct 3, 2013 11:05:29 GMT -5
I read a little about this yesterday. Apparently the guy that got ran over has not had a driver's license since something like 1999, and never was issued a motorcycle license. It seems this is an extortion racket that goes on in NY. A motorcycle mob targets an expensive vehicle w/ a family in it, then plays this game where a rider gets hit, then they mob the vehicle and slash the tires, and intimidate or beat the person until a payoff is made. Except the guy in the Land Rover didn't play along this time. The only caught him and were able to mob him because he got stuck in traffic.
I wonder what Bloomberg thinks of firearms in situations like this.
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Post by Russ Koon on Oct 3, 2013 11:09:06 GMT -5
The reporting sure makes it seem that the bikers were completely at fault, and they may well have been. Certainly mostly at fault.
However, I do recall that in my riding days, my greatest pet peeve was drivers who tailgated me. There's something about that size of that bike out there just past the hood ornament that makes it easier to be comfortable with being way closer than you would be if you were following a 4x4 pickup with a big trailer hitch and "cowboy cadillac" bumper a few feet in front of your sheet metal.
I carried a pouch of Redman chewing tobacco taped to the handlebars right behind the windshield, on the advice of an older friend and fellow biker at work. He said it had come in handy several times for him in discouraging tailgaters. I never got around to using it, but did have several instances where the negligence of the driver following me WAY too close resulted in some hard feeling and road rage, and a few roadside discussions.
Certainly the biker shouldn't have been slowing and "brake checking" the SUV to allow his showboating buddies to do their stunts. But the proper response to his committing that act of rudeness and unlawful restriction of traffic was not nudging him with the bumper, any more than the proper response to a jaywalker would be brushing him back with the fender. Sounds like it may have been a case of stupid act meets stupider response, and even stupider escalation.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Oct 3, 2013 11:33:39 GMT -5
They started out on a freeway, but the fight was on a city street.. I wouldn't have wanted to get off the freeway for fear of getting boxed in like that.
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Post by swilk on Oct 3, 2013 11:44:17 GMT -5
The guy had no choice but to STOP....all the traffic was stopped!!!! A gun was his only answer and he didn't have one to use...... Not when all this began.... I was talking about when the bike first brake checked him and he stopped. You are mostly right about the end though ... but you can bet your ass I would have tried out that 'ol "R" gear on the shifter and gone backwards. If I was blocked from behind I would have gone forward, backward, forward, backward until they lost interest or I had run every last one of them over. That is assuming I was not armed .... if I was armed I would have pulled a Wyatt Earp and turned the first guys head into a canoe and then told the next closest who was next. |
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Post by swilk on Oct 3, 2013 11:45:35 GMT -5
They started out on a freeway, but the fight was on a city street.. I wouldn't have wanted to get off the freeway for fear of getting boxed in like that. Yep .... 25mph on the highway talking to 911. Fast enough they couldnt get to me and slow enough to not cover to much ground. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 3, 2013 13:59:11 GMT -5
Russ, I did not see this as a case of tail gating. The bike rider was along side the SUV and said something to the driver. He then swerved in front of the SUV and hit the brakes. With everything going on around him the driver of the SUV could have been watching to the side or the rear view mirror at that time and could not stop in time. If I was ever in a situation like that and a group was beating on my vehicle trying to get in and I was unarmed my new weapon would be my 4Runner...It would go over more bikes than that Range Rover ever thought about.  I would have stayed on the freeway doing the minimum speed while dialing 911. I would never have got off on a side street into traffic. |
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Post by tenring on Oct 3, 2013 14:26:31 GMT -5
Hell's Angels wannabe?
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Post by greghopper on Oct 3, 2013 14:41:29 GMT -5
Looked to be all RICE BURNER'S.....late night street groupies !!! |
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Post by duff on Oct 3, 2013 17:04:27 GMT -5
Be aware motorcycles are everywhere... is immediately what I thought of.
Tough to say what really happened or not but a motorcycle or 15 of them isn't much to push out of the way or drive over if in the same situation. I am sure the guy thought it would end like most confrontations do with little physical actions other than waving arms or yelling. Those bikers got off easy by not getting shot/more run over etc.
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Post by Genesis 27:3 on Oct 3, 2013 17:42:15 GMT -5
Bikers got what they deserved! Just a pack of bullies
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Post by GS1 on Oct 3, 2013 19:38:42 GMT -5
Everyone of them close enough to the vehicle should have been run over...twice. When you act like a moron, sometimes you get hurt.
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Post by stevein on Oct 4, 2013 13:57:07 GMT -5
Trade my old wheelgun in for a high-cap nine.  I was told what the bikers were trying to do was to impede traffic so they could do stunts while being filmed. The reports said they did dial 911, like the saying goes "WHEN SECONDS COUNT THE COPS ARE JUST MINUTES AWAY" Maybe do a NASCAR victory burnout. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 4, 2013 21:22:24 GMT -5
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Post by raporter on Oct 6, 2013 9:21:12 GMT -5
Best delete this thread. She will sue. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 6, 2013 11:51:15 GMT -5
Best delete this thread. She will sue. Sue is her middle name.... |
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Post by jdaily on Oct 6, 2013 12:18:32 GMT -5
3000 lb. weapon against all those bikes = walk in the park. Should have never gotten off the interstate. As far as the "undercover" cops riding with this group. Fire them all! They are sworn to uphold the law. At least they could have stepped in and tried to convince the assailant to stop what he was doing. But then again,this was after they broke so many other traffic laws.
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I would have stayed on the freeway doing the minimum speed while dialing 911. I would never have got off on a side street into traffic.
I was told what the bikers were trying to do was to impede traffic so they could do stunts while being filmed. The reports said they did dial 911, like the saying goes "WHEN SECONDS COUNT THE COPS ARE JUST MINUTES AWAY"