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Post by bsutravis on Mar 13, 2007 9:24:48 GMT -5
DEC, when is that FTW meeting? Anything scheduled in Central Indiana??? Great post!
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Post by dec on Mar 13, 2007 9:49:55 GMT -5
I'm all about trying to solve wildlife conflicts through hunting seasons/bag limits, etc.........but if that solution is impossible, then you have got to do something. The only problem with this MIG is that WE AS HUNTERS have not been given the opportunity to do something about it. Our hands have been tied on this issue. We as hunters can make a difference. Will nest destruction, egg shaking, oiling, etc. still be required? Yes in some situations. But SO much of this problem could be taken care of through hunting and conservation efforts. Yet, we can't because of limits and short seasons. Do you realize how many more guys would goose hunt the late season if the bag limits were increased. You have to really LOVE the sport to make yourself invest thousands of dollars in decoys, blinds, guns, etc., then to set all that equipment up, then sit in the cold snow, wind, and rain .... to what .... shoot 2 geese! There are not many of us that love it that much. You are seeing a sampling of that small percentage on here and other forums. Now up the bag limits and increase the seasons and I personally know guys that would start heading out to the goose fields, ponds, and lakes. Make it accessible to hunt these problem country club geese and I personally know guys that would be all over it. Then a dent can be made in this problem. Our money was used to bring these birds back and ultimately contributed to their over abundance, yet our hands are tied when it comes to efforts to put their numbers in check. Makes no sense to me at all. Hunting can be a powerful conservation tool as we all know. Let us use that power. Let us manage what our money created. This a multi-sided problem that requires multiple avenues to solve. Destroying eggs and nests is a tool to be used when no other means will work. But let us use the best tool in the tool box for the majority of the job. Let us hunt them.
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Post by dec on Mar 13, 2007 9:55:30 GMT -5
DEC, when is that FTW meeting? Anything scheduled in Central Indiana??? Great post! Canada Geese Seminars March 14 (tomorrow) at Eastside Park in Washington March 20 at Fort Harrison State Park in Indy March 22 at Salomon Park in Fort Wayne You MUST register ahead. Call (812)334-1137 or swinks@dnr.in.gov I can't remember the times ... like 9 to 3 or something each day. Guys, this is IMPORTANT to us as waterfowlers and as hunters in general. This is our resource that we paid for. This is our image. This is what we are (or should be) passionate about. This is a conservation tool that will determine how future generations deal with issues such as this. Please try and attend one of these. Make your voice heard.
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Post by bsutravis on Mar 13, 2007 10:28:04 GMT -5
Crud..... I work next Tues night during the Ft Harrison seminar.
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Post by dec on Mar 13, 2007 10:32:31 GMT -5
Crud..... I work next Tues night during the Ft Harrison seminar. That one is a Monday night.
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Post by bsutravis on Mar 13, 2007 11:34:57 GMT -5
Mar 20th is a Tuesday.... Either way, I work Mondays 1030am-1030pm, Tues 130-1030, then I am off Wed-Thu-Fri.
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Post by dec on Mar 13, 2007 12:13:49 GMT -5
Your right. I looked at my desk calendar wrong. That's what I get for looking around a stack of papers and not moving them.
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Post by pigeonflier on Mar 13, 2007 19:04:11 GMT -5
The problem is access to these geese. We have tons here in South Bend in the St Joe river. It runs right through the middle of town. When the presure gets on,, they know where the lines are. I run and gun them all the way upto 5' of the city limits. I get into some real tricky spots. Some people love it that I am there. Some dont. And the ones that dont are 90% misinformed about the entire shotgun range issue. Love/Hate relationship. I cant think of any golf course where a shot-gun would be too much. Can you even shoot past the 1st hole? I'm sure you all remember my urban goose kills from last year. These geese were coming from the river in the midle of town last summer. Just over the city limits is where my boss lives. He is on a street with 3-5 acre lots all mowed and pretty.. (not a subdivision). Geese were flocking out to this grass all up and down the road in Sept last year. You think any other of them would think about hunting them,,never. y boss said "KILL"EM,, their pooping on my grass.Took a dozen bigfoots and waited. After the first shots,, all the nieghbors were out. Was pole barns , house's, garage's, everything including a highway running behind. Nothing was damaged, and no one was accidently shot. People are scared to death once the guns come out, even when its only a shotgun. Access is what we need. If they give us access and it still doesnt work, then shake all they want.
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Post by bsutravis on Mar 13, 2007 19:20:03 GMT -5
Pigeon..... I was under the understanding that if you are on a navigable river, that you are legal to hunt, even within city limits, provided that you are doing so in a safe manner. I asked this same question to Buster about hunting within the city limits of Noblesville along White River and he replied that I am legal as long as I am on the water, not touching the shore, and in a safe spot to be discharging a firearm (gray area?). Perhaps MIG can clear that up for us. Never would I advocate camping out in a downtown area and blasting away, but certainly most rivers pass into city limits and are still remote enough for safe discharge of a shotgun who's range limits at most are a few hundred yards.
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 13, 2007 19:23:20 GMT -5
Can you legally retrieve a downed bird off of someone else's property though?
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Post by pigeonflier on Mar 13, 2007 21:15:57 GMT -5
Can you legally retrieve a downed bird off of someone else's property though? If the bird falls on the bank,, the bird stays on the bank.. Thats part of the downside to huntin the residential areas. But just for the record,, I have never left 1. Even if the dog runs up and retieves the bird,, its trespassing. Its the same as shooting a deer and the neighbor says NO. No its not legal to discharge a firearm in the city limits even if you are in the water. Funny thing is here on the Joe we have alot of places where the city limits run down the center of the river. I've had the law and nieghbors after me more than my shair. Never any violoations. Keep a map on you and always know where you are. [/quote]
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Post by MIG on Mar 13, 2007 22:29:21 GMT -5
bsu-
Hunting along White River in Marion Co. is legal if you are north of 86th St., or south of the bend that is south of Harding St. If you hunt anywhere in between there, then you will likely be pulled from your boat by IMPD at gunpoint! You laugh, but trust me it has happened several times, and I'm sure that there are folks on some of these forums that this has happened too! Just because it is a Navigable Waterway doesn't always mean you can hunt it. You have to be careful when dealing with County/City ordinances. I'm not familiar with the rules in Hamilton Co.
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Post by MIG on Mar 13, 2007 22:47:11 GMT -5
I'm all about trying to solve wildlife conflicts through hunting seasons/bag limits, etc.........but if that solution is impossible, then you have got to do something. Destroying eggs and nests is a tool to be used when no other means will work. But let us use the best tool in the tool box for the majority of the job. Let us hunt them. dec- As I stated before, I'm all about solving conflicts by hunting. However, if you do not have access to the areas where the problems are, then you have to do something. When you have a problem in an urban area, and you can't discharge a firearm, what are you to do? Most of those birds will never make it to an area where you can put out a decoy spread and get a shot at them........at least where I come from. Have you ever had a problem with a nuisance animal,...raccoon, skunk, etc.?
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Post by JohnSmiles on Mar 13, 2007 22:53:48 GMT -5
Does anyone here actually eat these critters? Seriously. I had a woman who talked me into having a goose for thanksgiving once. NEVER EVER AGAIN. I have eaten a great many thing, but goose is the last thing I would ever shoot for my table. Now duck, pheasant, turkey and quail are all excellent. But after hearing all the hype in leading up to iur goose dinner, I am simply thankful it was a rare year in which none of my family was present to partake. My uncle raised several of them for the eggs(which are a bit richer than poultry eggs), but I cannot remember them or anyone in my family ever eating one. Or even referring to eating one.
Now, maybe there is as much difference in a store bought goose and a wild one as there is in wild versus tame rabbit, I don't know. But I do know I will never buy another goose for the table.
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Post by pigeonflier on Mar 13, 2007 23:15:26 GMT -5
Does anyone here actually eat these critters? Seriously. I had a woman who talked me into having a goose for thanksgiving once. NEVER EVER AGAIN. I have eaten a great many thing, but goose is the last thing I would ever shoot for my table. Now duck, pheasant, turkey and quail are all excellent. But after hearing all the hype in leading up to iur goose dinner, I am simply thankful it was a rare year in which none of my family was present to partake. My uncle raised several of them for the eggs(which are a bit richer than poultry eggs), but I cannot remember them or anyone in my family ever eating one. Or even referring to eating one. Now, maybe there is as much difference in a store bought goose and a wild one as there is in wild versus tame rabbit, I don't know. But I do know I will never buy another goose for the table. Guaranteed I can give you a goose dinner that will bring you around.
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Post by MIG on Mar 13, 2007 23:15:32 GMT -5
Let me add to the "hunting nuisance geese / urban geese" delema.
We must be careful when hunting urban areas. For those who have taken hunter education classes, you may remember that 5% of the general public is pro-hunting. 5% of the general public is anti-hunting. The other 90% is on the fence. If you decide to go waterfowl hunting in an area that consists of several people on the fence, your actions could sway them one way or another. Setting up a spread near a housing addition is only asking for trouble. Are you within the law? Probably. But is the image that you leave behind worth the possibility that you will turn even more folks in to the anti-hunting camp? Be careful where you hunt out there.......everyone will be watching from their second story window, and your actions will represent their feelings toward all hunters, not just you. SOME of you know exactly what I'm talking about! Just some food for thought.........
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Post by dec on Mar 14, 2007 6:39:23 GMT -5
Does anyone here actually eat these critters? Seriously. I had a woman who talked me into having a goose for thanksgiving once. NEVER EVER AGAIN. I have eaten a great many thing, but goose is the last thing I would ever shoot for my table. Now duck, pheasant, turkey and quail are all excellent. But after hearing all the hype in leading up to iur goose dinner, I am simply thankful it was a rare year in which none of my family was present to partake. My uncle raised several of them for the eggs(which are a bit richer than poultry eggs), but I cannot remember them or anyone in my family ever eating one. Or even referring to eating one. Now, maybe there is as much difference in a store bought goose and a wild one as there is in wild versus tame rabbit, I don't know. But I do know I will never buy another goose for the table. Every goose I shoot gets eaten by either me or friends. It can be an acquired taste, but if cooked properly it is very good. I have a friend that throws them in the crock pot and says it tastes like roast beef. I have another buddy that plucks them, stuffs them with sausage, and roasts them whole. I usually make all of my goose into jerky. IMO, it is better than venison jerky. All of my friends I give it to eat up fast.
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Post by JohnSmiles on Mar 15, 2007 17:31:12 GMT -5
Well, all I have to draw on is the one meal. As far as I know, she prepared it like a turkey. 'She' is no longer with 'me'(which, btw, proves GOD does indeed exist, and does answer prayers), so I really have nothing to go on other than I did not care for it. I hate liver and green olives. So far, the only two foods I cannot make myself eat. The goose I tried rates just above these. lol If I liked eating them, I would probably hunt them.
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Post by pigeonflier on Mar 15, 2007 18:00:36 GMT -5
Well, all I have to draw on is the one meal. As far as I know, she prepared it like a turkey. 'She' is no longer with 'me'(which, btw, proves GOD does indeed exist, and does answer prayers), so I really have nothing to go on other than I did not care for it. I hate liver and green olives. So far, the only two foods I cannot make myself eat. The goose I tried rates just above these. lol If I liked eating them, I would probably hunt them. We better not give you a good meal then,, dont need anymore competion. Them things taste like dirt
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Post by JohnSmiles on Mar 15, 2007 19:17:16 GMT -5
lmao
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