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Post by boonechaser on Jul 5, 2011 9:27:47 GMT -5
My mother in law decided to have farm logged. She has 150 acre's which i control the hunting on. I put out 6 plus acre's of food plot's and I limit number of buck's killed per year to 2. I and couple friend's shot does as we think are needed also. My question is once the logging is completed is there anything I can plant on the logging road's to keep from washing out as well as benefit the deer??? Thought about wheat but am thinking maybe there maybe something better out there. Think that logging will be a benefit for the deer hunting down the road.
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Post by countrystyle56 on Jul 5, 2011 9:43:16 GMT -5
My mother in law decided to have farm logged. She has 150 acre's which i control the hunting on. I put out 6 plus acre's of food plot's and I limit number of buck's killed per year to 2. I and couple friend's shot does as we think are needed also. My question is once the logging is completed is there anything I can plant on the logging road's to keep from washing out as well as benefit the deer??? Thought about wheat but am thinking maybe there maybe something better out there. Think that logging will be a benefit for the deer hunting down the road. I would broadcast clover if it were mine. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 11:59:34 GMT -5
Ask for whit dutch clover, mix with Marshall rye grass. The seed will need at least 6 hours of sunlight per day to survive, so you might need to cut some more. Yes, in two yearss, you'll have more browse than the deer can eat.
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Post by featherduster on Jul 6, 2011 6:37:58 GMT -5
Boonechaser: many years ago I hunted a small patch of woods that was logged for the massive Oaks,however the loggers left the tops laying everywhere.
The next year the under growth took off like wild fire and within 2 years that woods was impossible to enter because of all the left over tops and brush that grew.
I would suggest you make sure the loggers clean up after themselves or let people who want to cut fire wood clean up after the logging is done.
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Post by throbak on Jul 6, 2011 12:45:10 GMT -5
rehabing the skidder trails shoud be in her contract""" if it is steep waterbars work ,as for the (MESS) your hunting is about to improve 100% wait and see. dont cleanup any thing deer dont like neat
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Post by cedarthicket on Jul 6, 2011 21:44:49 GMT -5
A year or two after the logging you may find it useful to look for and kill some invasive plants, such as the very common multiflora rose. Also, and very high on my personal "hit" list, is bush honeysuckle and tree of heaven. I am sure there are other invasive plants that could also be problematic. Some may even be transported from woods to woods by the logging equipment. Some may currently be growing on your neighbor’s property. Regardless, I find it helpful to periodically patrol the woods, especially the logging roads, with the tools and herbicide to kill what is needed to satisfy my goals, one of which is to control and eventually eliminate bush honeysuckle and tree of heaven in our woods. Hopefully, our neighbors will appreciate my efforts as well.
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Post by bigballer on Jul 7, 2011 6:39:22 GMT -5
Actually if your wanting to stop the spread of these Invasive plants its best to try to take care of that before logging. Cause after logging it will get out of control because of all the sunlight that these plants will now get with less tree tops to shade them. I agree these are some plants that you don't want in your woods and if you have the time to spray it would be best to do it before the logging...  BB |
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Post by cedarthicket on Jul 9, 2011 12:59:42 GMT -5
BB, you are correct. If possible it is certainly best to eliminate the invasive plants before logging. However, even if you do, it would seem prudent to check after logging to make sure they do not reinvade. They may reinvade because of dormant seeds, plants not found before logging, or from neighboring property. My experience is that all the new areas that sunlight now reaches after logging seem to be "magnets" for invasives.
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Post by throbak on Jul 9, 2011 17:57:32 GMT -5
check out SICWMA and get involved with FIST its in your area and we enjoy the company we are on face book and the web
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Post by bigballer on Jul 11, 2011 6:41:10 GMT -5
From my experience you will never rid the property totally of the invasives but if you spray before logging it is so much easier to manage after the logging. I know sometimes you can't but if you can before it's logged it will save you ++++ time after and money for the chemicals. it won't take as much. How much land are we talking about? Or is she logging the whole 150... If that's the case I would probably dedicate my time spraying before they log to the place I hunt and then the take a little at a time. 150 acres is a lot of land. But get yoru buddy's to help you since you let them hunt. They should be willing to help you out as well. If not well 1 less friend.. Post on here and get you another friend that is willing to help.. BB |
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Post by boonechaser on Jul 11, 2011 7:42:18 GMT -5
Thanks for info. And yes they are supposed to clean up once finished. (We will see??) My mother in law's property so I don't have much say. Logger had me mark tree's with stand's or used for stand's. Since he is cutting everything telephone pole size or larger I have marked plenty of oak's for him to leave. He also has stayed out of my food plot's which I appreciate , but wish they would leave young timber be. Word's of advice. HAVE THEM MARK TREE'S or hire a forester and have him mark. My mother in law -brother-in law did not. So these joker's are pretty much clear cutting the place.
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Post by featherduster on Jul 11, 2011 12:52:23 GMT -5
If the woods is part of a larger woods that belong to the neighbors make sure the logger is clear on the property lines so he doesn't cut down some of the neighbors trees.
This could save you later from determining how much damage was caused to a neighbors property.
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Post by throbak on Jul 11, 2011 13:25:35 GMT -5
whos the logger ?? and I will tell you what to expect, I know most here in SE indiana the invasivies come after the Logging when more light is let in and new spaces are developed for them to grow
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Post by boonechaser on Jul 11, 2011 14:11:17 GMT -5
Out of ohio. (Kruff or Krumfp something like that.) They r big outfit. Newer skidster's and loader and newer semi's. They r cutting alot smaller than I would like to see.
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Post by boonechaser on Jul 11, 2011 14:21:04 GMT -5
Knuff logging they are out of Ross Ohio. They r listed with Ohio forestry service and I heard they cleaned up after they were finished grading out road's and such. But they r cutting tree's as small as 10". Which to me and the way i was brought up is way to small 16" and above is what I've always been told. There is supposed to be about 5000 board feet of walnut some veneer grade which is what there after but they r taking all hardwood's. I did'nt ask to many question's with mother in law because her and brother in law allready had signed paperwork before I was told about it. There will be alot of area's getting alot of sunlight.
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Post by boonechaser on Jul 11, 2011 14:42:22 GMT -5
150 total acre's. Approx. 90 to 100 woods, rest field's and pasture. Allready had property line dispute. (CUT 3 tree's off neighbor and he is mad as hell.) I'm not the one logging, my mother in law is. But i do manage the property for hunting and she let's me pretty much call the shot's on all hunting. I will look into FIST and SICWMA. Alway's interested in habitate improvement.
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Post by boonechaser on Jul 11, 2011 14:52:06 GMT -5
Found the SICWMA and printed out their newsletter. Who is FIST??? Could not find info on them??? Also another question? once this logging is finished should I approach mother in law about putting the farm in CLASSIFIED FOREST. There won't be any logging again for a long, long time. What's the advantages??? disadvantage's???
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Post by bigballer on Jul 12, 2011 6:29:56 GMT -5
Not trying to be rude here but always get a forester to mark the land for you. You will no doubt get more money and they can always have it timbered the way you want it done. Sorry to hear that they are basically clear cutting it. I hate to see that. I've only had one experience where that was done and it might turn out better but that was because it was mostly pine and cotton wood that was cleared out. And the people are managing it better with hard woods. So it has a chance. But I hate to see clear cutting... Good luck!!
BB
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Post by freedomhunter on Jul 12, 2011 6:44:41 GMT -5
150 total acre's. Approx. 90 to 100 woods, rest field's and pasture. Allready had property line dispute. (CUT 3 tree's off neighbor and he is mad as hell.) I'm not the one logging, my mother in law is. But i do manage the property for hunting and she let's me pretty much call the shot's on all hunting. I will look into FIST and SICWMA. Alway's interested in habitate improvement. could have had the property lines surveyed prior to cutting for the cost of a couple prime trees, now she probably has legal trouble |
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Post by bigballer on Jul 12, 2011 11:24:03 GMT -5
They will have to pay 3 times the value of the tree in Indiana. now if they did it on accident then it might be cheaper but I'm not sure how that works in Indiana. But I do know it's 3 times what the tree is when they steal it. If it's not her fault then the logger might have to pay it. I've never seen that happen here in Indiana though. BB |
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