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Post by cambygsp on Oct 24, 2005 21:32:06 GMT -5
In the November 2005 issue of Indiana Game & Fish, Dean Weimer breaks down, zone by zone Hoosier Record Book entries, versus last year. (Page 20)
I know we have all heard about the massive amount of NEW record enteries being credited to the OBR...and NOW the truth is told.
Zone 1 Northeastern part of the state
2003 (20)
2004 (26)
+6
Zone 2 Northwestern part of the state
2003 (20)
2004 (23)
+3
Zone 3 Eight counties around the Ft. Wayne area
2003 (18)
2004 (16)
-2
Zone 4 Central part of the state...the largest zone with the most counties
2003 (34)
2004 (42)
+8
Zone 5 Southeastern tip INCLUDING Switzerland, Dearborn, Ripley, Jennings, Jefferson & Ohio counties
2003 (37)
2004 (39)
+2
Zone 6 South Central, the second largest zone
2003 (57)
2004 (79)
+22
Zone 7 Southwestern Tip
2003 (?)
2004 (30)
+- ?
39 more record book bucks with somewhere around 98 counties. TWO and ONE HALF trophy deer per county more...lol
It's hard to beleive that we have fallen for this "hype".
To deny 54,768 deer hunters the OPPORTUNITY to **HUNT** a second buck deer , so that we can have 2 1/2 more trophy deer per county is NOT a very good deal....IMO
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 24, 2005 21:43:21 GMT -5
54,768 antlered bucks harvested and ONLY 255 qualify for the Hoosier Record Book?
Are these the results we were expecting after 3 seasons of OBR
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Post by hoosier on Oct 24, 2005 21:54:26 GMT -5
camby', I agree whole-heartedly with your assessment of the obr results. Bow hunting was more fun for me when I was not so confused about what caliber of buck to take. I never shot 1 1/2 year olds,but, would take a respectful 2 1/2 year old at times. Your findings show not much difference has been realized with the obr. I did not know many fellows who actually took two bucks/year anyway. It seems that obr just takes opportunities away from one sect of hunters in Indiana..........the hard-core sportsmen!!! Let's hope it is not renewed. If the state is wanting better trophy potential (which they may not state publicly), they should take a page out of Iowa and Illinois books and allow bowhunting only during the rut. Hoosier.
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 24, 2005 22:02:59 GMT -5
Not **MY** findings.....I am just the messenger!
About 70% of all deer killed in Illionis is with a firearm. Illionis has a WHOLE bunch of car-deer accidents and is suffering from a over-population problem ALSO!
There is actually LOTS of pressure in Illionis to add more opportunity with firearms and crossbows. This year they jacked the price of non-resident tags up....AND GAVE EVERYONE WHO REQUESTED,.... ONE! In Illionis I beleive they don't allow bowhunting during the firearms portion either.
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Post by kevin1 on Oct 25, 2005 3:31:43 GMT -5
Somehow I'm not at all surprised .
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 25, 2005 5:30:55 GMT -5
According to the info on the DNR site: www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/hunt/deer/deersum04.htmThe adult male harvest in 2003 was 49,533 The adult male harvest in 2004 was 54,743 5210 MORE adult males harvested in 2004 than in 2003 Thats about a 10% increase in adult males harvested. According to the information in the Indiana Game & Fish article (November 2005 Page 20) In 2003 there were approximately 215 HRBP entries In 2004 there were approximately 255 HRBP entries Here's the math......... (2003) 215 (HRBP entries) divided by 49,533 (total adult male harvest) = 0.0043405 (2004) 255 (HRBP entries) divided by 54,743 (total adult male harvest) = 0.0046581 A difference of 0.0003176 from 2003 to 2004 If you have a FAX machine, PM me with the number and I would be more than happy to FAX you a copy of the article.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2005 6:41:32 GMT -5
I agree that the one buck rule is not necessary.
By the way... You left off Franklin County from Zone 5...it is always in or near the top 5 in the state.
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Post by dec on Oct 25, 2005 8:39:21 GMT -5
But how many of all those antlered deer where book status, but never got scored? I'm sure that would add to the number.
Argue it all you want. All I know is the past three years I've seen more bigger bucks and more bucks in general in all my years of hunting.
OBR gets my vote to stay and nothing will change my mind on that.
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Post by reynoldss on Oct 25, 2005 9:05:14 GMT -5
I'm still for the one buck rule for a while longer, regardless of what the numbers say. I'm seeing far more older bucks than prior to the one buck rule. Just so you know, I haven't changed hunting spots or methods. There's just more older deer in the area I hunt.
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 25, 2005 9:09:28 GMT -5
But how many of all those antlered deer where book status, but never got scored? I'm sure that would add to the number. Argue it all you want. All I know is the past three years I've seen more bigger bucks and more bucks in general in all my years of hunting. OBR gets my vote to stay and nothing will change my mind on that. No Argument.........According to these numbers there IS an improvment..........of 0.0003176 from 2003 to 2004 !!! As for the bucks that are harvested and not entered in the book....sure there are some out there....BUT....WHY, would that percentage of bucks NOT being entered into the book increase. I think it's quite the oppisite. According to the information I have seen, the HRBP has been aggressive at adding NEW scorers all around the state....that should make it easier to enter your buck...and promote MORE entries!....not less! Actually the OBR will get my YES vote too....but for different reasons than TROPHY deer.
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Post by duff on Oct 25, 2005 9:17:30 GMT -5
Not defending the OBR, but to really judge these #s we really need to look at several years of data. You can look at one year of data and make all kinds of assumptions but in the last 3 yrs or 5 or 10 yrs or lifetime of records might be the opposite of what is occuring. I don't know where you got the data or if they are even offering more then those years. If they are it would be of more significant to plot out several yrs of data to see how the trend is
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Post by rmc on Oct 25, 2005 9:33:15 GMT -5
I know a guy who has taken two deer in the 150's in the last 3 years that were not entered.
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 25, 2005 9:33:32 GMT -5
The data I posted is from the November 2005 issue of Indiana Game & Fish,
It only gives the HRBP entries for 2003 - vs - 2004.
I found the article interesting because there was rumor that the entries were WAY UP from the previous year. 40 additional entries is NOT way up as far as I am concerned.
AS for the OBR......I would think the 3rd year is where the results should really show....all those baby bucks being passed the first year should now be MATURE!....right?
In the long run, the OBR might not make much difference in trophy deer....but it SHOULD open up additional opportunity for ALL deer hunters......after all, does it REALLY make any difference "WHEN" a deer hunter shoots their ONE BUCK?
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Post by idhmc on Oct 25, 2005 9:39:39 GMT -5
Id have to assume that the trend is natrurally going to raise because the hunters are advancing in their hunting career. Also, with all the tapes, DVDs, TV show's, magazines and pictures of massive bucks and the talk about trophy hunting, it tends to put people into a peer presure to compete with others. Its a sad fact. As well, Im sure that alot of animals have never been added to the hoosier record book. I know that none of mine have but have been added to P&Y. Some people are just content that they have one on the wall and dont feel the need to show nor tell everyone of him. THats up to them but also why these numbers are not very reliable for any argument.
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 25, 2005 9:49:10 GMT -5
All very good points IDHMC.......
I don't think HRBP entries are a very good guage either.
Regardless, the "trophy" issue aside.......if Indiana is going to increase deer hunter opportunity....a OBR is a MUST!
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Post by duff on Oct 25, 2005 10:12:44 GMT -5
I guess my point is 40 could be a huge number if the previous yrs only averaged 10 per yr or it might show a decline. Who knows if we don't have the rest of the numbers.
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Post by trapperdave on Oct 25, 2005 10:17:08 GMT -5
I personally have a 160" buck on the wall, never been "officially" measured or entered in any stupid record book. Not all of us need to see our names in print to feal validated.
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Post by idhmc on Oct 25, 2005 10:24:12 GMT -5
Well I dont think the OBR is hunter opportunity. My hunting season (meaning, taking advantage of all season) has been ruined by the OBR in the past and also this year a good friend of mine is feeling the reprocussion of it. He as well as I, spent days on end hunting through the season when it was a two buck settup. Rarely did we harvest two but the hunting was fun. We still have fun but just not as much as we did. Regardless what someone wants to kill for themselves, hunting is a joy. Now that im no longer able to hunt for a second buck ive taken on the challenge of helping the states herd ratio. A challenge much greater than harvesting a mature buck I might add. Through conversations with other hunters and spreading the info around that I have now, is a challenge that any conservation minded individual and hunter could ever tackle. Ive made myself contend the issue and trying to get others to contend the issue is harder to do than trying to get them to harvest a mature buck instead of a yearling. But regardless, is a true effort toward the future. I cant say that for the OBR.
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Post by old3arrows on Oct 25, 2005 10:29:27 GMT -5
There are a whole lot of record book Indiana bucks that are never entered. Of the group of five guys that I hunt with on a regular basis, there are at least 17 bucks that could go in the book, however only three have came since the one buck rule went in to affect. I don't hold much faith in the IDNR's statistics. I also believe that our annual harvest is way higher than reported because of deer not being checked in. I hope that the 48 hour rule helps to change this because it was a real pain for some people to get a deer checked in under the old policy, especially if you killed one on Sunday or over Thanksgiving. The check stations are constantly changing or closing, as I know of two in Madison County that no longer check in deer.
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 25, 2005 10:38:02 GMT -5
Old3arrows,
These stats on HRBP entries are NOT from the IDNR. I can only assume the author got the info from the HRBP coordinator John Boguki , as his name was mentioned in the article.
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