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Post by jrbhunter on Oct 25, 2005 10:53:27 GMT -5
Trapperdave just made a good point. The local check station has polaroids of several record book bucks... the local taxidermist has mounted many more record class trophies in the last year or two than ever before. I don't think the increase in big buck numbers will necessarily be reflected in the record books.
Keep an eye out this year as well, it looks like peak rut in my area will hit around opening weekend of gun season. With decent weather everybody and their brother will be in the woods and several of them will take home trophy bucks when they would've otherwise been seen or winded by a mature deer.
Those numbers wouldn't change how I feel about the OBR, I still disagree with it, but Dave's point is valid that not everyone is concerned about getting a record book deer in the record books. This will increase as the dynamic evolves and more first year hunters or good ole' boys start harvesting trophies... they simply don't care to see it on paper.
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Post by multidigits on Oct 25, 2005 11:28:50 GMT -5
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Post by gundude on Oct 25, 2005 11:36:41 GMT -5
WHATS THAT GOT TO DO WITH THIS THREAD!>>>>>>>>> OH wait I know, you just want to stir the pot!
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 25, 2005 12:22:51 GMT -5
WHATS THAT GOT TO DO WITH THIS THREAD!>>>>>>>>> OH wait I know, you just want to stir the pot! You are right. It has nothing to do with this thread even though they do reference this thread over there. I do not want to see a "site fight" get going. Now, I have recieved a threatening email about this thread from a person that has been banned from this site even though he has re-registered under assumed name(s) with the promise fo "tricks" forthcoming. His promises of "tricks", registering under multiple asumed names and several postings he did under an assumed name shows that his banning was justified. We have stated in the Rules that The Forum is not the "truth police" and we do not check on whether each and every posting is the truth or not. We leave that to the members debating the subject to point out any erroneus statements by others. However, since I have recieved this threatening email (among many others from the same individual) I got out my Indiana Game and Fish magazine. The article is on page 20 of the current edition. All the numbers that Camby has qouted in the magazine are indeed there. Now a person might agree or disagree with Camby's analysis of those numbers, but the numbers are there for all to see. IF those numbers are not correct then the individual that emailed me should take that up with the author of the article about a retraction. Can an author be wrong in an article? Sure, but he did quote the administrator of the HRBP. I agree with most others on here that record book entries can be very decieving in saying that we are getting an age shift. Way too many variables to quantify that belief. If we are looking for an age shift (the original stated goal of the OBR proponents) then we will have that data at the end of the trial. |
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 25, 2005 12:42:35 GMT -5
Maybe I should have made myself clear.
I don't think the number of record book entries is a indication of of ANYTHING....other than maybe the producers of that book are doing a better job of recruiting folks to enter it.
IMO, it don't reflect on anything other than more folks seem to be willing to PAY to have theri name printed in some book!
The reason the article caught my attention is because I have heard on many, many occasions that the entries were WAY up over the preveious year.
If you read the article, the author is even saying that!
40 entries is NOT way up in my opinion.,...and when you take into account the INCREASED antlered buck harvest (over 5000) over the preveious year....IMO, it is even LESS significant!
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Post by hunter7x on Oct 25, 2005 12:58:41 GMT -5
Sorry fellas I like the OBR and call it luck or whatever, I have killed my 3 best in the last 3 years. 2 of the 3 are over P & Y minimums and the third is right at it. 3 different counties 3 different properties. None have been entered in the book for those who care ! LOL
I don't understand how the OBR could ruin your hunting season and cause you to not enjoy the hunt as much?
What if we would NEVER have had the liberal laws from a few years ago that allowed us to shoot 4 bucks a season ? No one would be complaining about only being able to shoot one buck if it had been a law from the get go. How many other states are allowed only to shoot one antlered buck ? And has their herd dried up and blew away ? I doubt it, last I heard deer numbers were on the rise in every state as is the money generated by hunting in general.
I really don't understand all the tempers and argueing about it anyway. I thought these forums were for HUNTERs to get together to talk about productive things to do with hunting.
This thread stopped being productive some time ago.
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Post by multidigits on Oct 25, 2005 13:23:56 GMT -5
Delete!
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Post by gundude on Oct 25, 2005 13:27:50 GMT -5
Delete!!!!!!!
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Post by multidigits on Oct 25, 2005 13:32:18 GMT -5
Delete!
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Post by gundude on Oct 25, 2005 13:54:33 GMT -5
Delete!
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Post by hornharvester on Oct 25, 2005 16:12:26 GMT -5
OK guys, this is the last time we will tell you to cool it! This is getting real old fast! Debate all you want but keep the personal attacks and name calling out of your posts!!!!!! h.h.
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 25, 2005 17:08:59 GMT -5
Thanks for putting the post back up, If the numbers in the article are correct, it should be something for us all to think about!
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Post by indianagooseman on Oct 25, 2005 17:57:39 GMT -5
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Post by hornharvester on Oct 25, 2005 18:55:50 GMT -5
nice bucks!
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 25, 2005 19:21:55 GMT -5
Looks like the OBR has been good to you!
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Post by 911 on Oct 25, 2005 20:17:56 GMT -5
WHAT lol!!!!!!!!!
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Post by dec on Oct 25, 2005 21:54:17 GMT -5
hunter7x just said exactly what I was going to post.
You took the words out of my mouth.
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Post by idhmc on Oct 25, 2005 23:26:48 GMT -5
Sorry fellas I like the OBR and call it luck or whatever, I have killed my 3 best in the last 3 years. 2 of the 3 are over P & Y minimums and the third is right at it. 3 different counties 3 different properties. None have been entered in the book for those who care ! LOL I don't understand how the OBR could ruin your hunting season and cause you to not enjoy the hunt as much? What if we would NEVER have had the liberal laws from a few years ago that allowed us to shoot 4 bucks a season ? No one would be complaining about only being able to shoot one buck if it had been a law from the get go. How many other states are allowed only to shoot one antlered buck ? And has their herd dried up and blew away ? I doubt it, last I heard deer numbers were on the rise in every state as is the money generated by hunting in general. I really don't understand all the tempers and argueing about it anyway. I thought these forums were for HUNTERs to get together to talk about productive things to do with hunting. This thread stopped being productive some time ago. Like you said, if I had never had the opportunity before I wouldnt know what I was missing. I would have done like everyone else does and is, hunt other states after I bagged my buck in Indiana. That state would make my money not Indiana. Im a trophy hunter. I love to hunt trophy animals. A short deer season sucks when you love to hunt. I dont know how else to explain it, its a feeling inside, its a choice we have within ourselves. Not everyone hunts the same. I dont just hunt deer either, I hunt other specis of game as well. I love to be in the woods. But, the OBR is in effect and more than likely will continue. Thing is, I often wonder what the settup is like where people are seeing good deer? Is it possible that the reason is that adjoining land owners are doing quality deer management and letting little deer walk? DO they have alot of acres they manage? Hunter maturity gains every year and management is on the brain of many more hunters today than yesteryear. Alot of land is being consumed by fewer hunters in attempt to grow better deer, also causing a skew in a said area. The OBR has helped in the muturity of hunters for sure but at the same time has cost the state and hunter time afield in some instances. When the time comes to voice my opinion on the OBR im not even going to submit. I understand its meaning but know in the long run the state is going to have to do things to increase revenue loss. Those things may be very restrictive regulations per individual hunter and/or intrusion of season timeframe of weapons. Neither of which I like. But in all, we hunters need to do what we like and feel is right for the future. |
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Post by kodiak50 on Oct 26, 2005 2:39:11 GMT -5
But how many of all those antlered deer where book status, but never got scored? I'm sure that would add to the number. Argue it all you want. All I know is the past three years I've seen more bigger bucks and more bucks in general in all my years of hunting. OBR gets my vote to stay and nothing will change my mind on that. SAME Here! |
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 26, 2005 4:57:37 GMT -5
Sorry fellas I like the OBR and call it luck or whatever, I have killed my 3 best in the last 3 years. 2 of the 3 are over P & Y minimums and the third is right at it. 3 different counties 3 different properties. None have been entered in the book for those who care ! LOL I don't understand how the OBR could ruin your hunting season and cause you to not enjoy the hunt as much? What if we would NEVER have had the liberal laws from a few years ago that allowed us to shoot 4 bucks a season ? No one would be complaining about only being able to shoot one buck if it had been a law from the get go. How many other states are allowed only to shoot one antlered buck ? And has their herd dried up and blew away ? I doubt it, last I heard deer numbers were on the rise in every state as is the money generated by hunting in general. I really don't understand all the tempers and argueing about it anyway. I thought these forums were for HUNTERs to get together to talk about productive things to do with hunting. This thread stopped being productive some time ago. Like you said, if I had never had the opportunity before I wouldnt know what I was missing. I would have done like everyone else does and is, hunt other states after I bagged my buck in Indiana. That state would make my money not Indiana. Im a trophy hunter. I love to hunt trophy animals. A short deer season sucks when you love to hunt. I dont know how else to explain it, its a feeling inside, its a choice we have within ourselves. Not everyone hunts the same. I dont just hunt deer either, I hunt other specis of game as well. I love to be in the woods. But, the OBR is in effect and more than likely will continue. Thing is, I often wonder what the settup is like where people are seeing good deer? Is it possible that the reason is that adjoining land owners are doing quality deer management and letting little deer walk? DO they have alot of acres they manage? Hunter maturity gains every year and management is on the brain of many more hunters today than yesteryear. Alot of land is being consumed by fewer hunters in attempt to grow better deer, also causing a skew in a said area. The OBR has helped in the muturity of hunters for sure but at the same time has cost the state and hunter time afield in some instances. When the time comes to voice my opinion on the OBR im not even going to submit. I understand its meaning but know in the long run the state is going to have to do things to increase revenue loss. Those things may be very restrictive regulations per individual hunter and/or intrusion of season timeframe of weapons. Neither of which I like. But in all, we hunters need to do what we like and feel is right for the future. I agree 100%, but I will be putting in my two cents worth when the time comes. I might be taking on a windmill, but that is the way I am. |
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