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Post by js2397 on Aug 25, 2009 11:04:05 GMT -5
Please post the data on that. I think you will find that we are killing MORE button bucks now than ever before up 2,000 a year since 2002. The correct term should have been yearlings (1.5 year old)......... as stated in the 2008 Deer Season SummaryThe percentage of 1.5 year old males in the adult male harvest has decreased 10% over the last 3 years, while the yearling female harvest has remained relatively stable during that time....... as stated in the 2008 Biological Deer Check Stations reportAge structure of adult deer examined during opening weekend during the 2001-2008 firearms season shows % of Male Adult Harvest in Age Class Year 1.5 2.5 3.5+ 2001 56 31 14 2002 53 33 14 2003 54 30 16 2004 50 35 15 2005 50 35 16 2006 46 38 16 2007 44 39 17 2008 40 40 20 We went from 56% in 2001 to 40% in 2008 in yearlings (1.5 year old) We went from 14% in 2001 to 20% in 2008 in adult males (antlered bucks)Among adult males in the sample, 20% were estimated to be >3.5 years old, the highest statistic recorded for that category in recent years.BTW...on a side note we went from 10,603(11%) female fawns in 2002 to 19,164(16%) female fawns in 2008....The three years prior to the OBR the average button buck harvest was 11316. The antlered buck harvest for that same period averaged 46450 per year. The last three years the average button buck harvest is 13361. The antlered buck harvest for that same period averaged 49772 per year. That is a 9% increase or 5367 more male deer per year. They make up a smaller percentage of the harvest now because more does are being killed. www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/files/fw-2008deerseasonsummary.pdf
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Post by indianahick on Aug 25, 2009 14:31:18 GMT -5
More land controlled by outfitters. Right up a couple of OBR's biggest boosters.
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Post by ridgerunner on Aug 25, 2009 15:56:32 GMT -5
I'll take Illinois anyday over Indiana. I have 500 acres of land in Illinois and never noticed the problem you mention above racktracker..Yeah if we could move the firearms slaughterfest out of the Rut we'd will be much better too....I love OBR and funny thing is the only place I hear guys complaining about it is right here on this sight..I've bowhunted all my life and I'm 40 years old nad know many a bowhunter and I have never heard one guy say anything but positive things about OBR...It must be a elite group of guys doing all the crying..?
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Post by gundude on Aug 25, 2009 16:13:46 GMT -5
I'll take Illinois anyday over Indiana. I have 500 acres of land in Illinois and never noticed the problem you mention above racktracker..Yeah if we could move the firearms slaughterfest out of the Rut we'd will be much better too....I love OBR and funny thing is the only place I hear guys complaining about it is right here on this sight..I've bowhunted all my life and I'm 40 years old nad know many a bowhunter and I have never heard one guy say anything but positive things about OBR...It must be a elite group of guys doing all the crying..? Naw just a "core group"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2009 16:29:12 GMT -5
Who's complaining??? This is about the gain of the OBR, not the rule.....or lack of gain might be a better choice of words.
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Post by cambygsp on Aug 25, 2009 17:03:35 GMT -5
Timex,
What kind of results has the OBR produced in Kentucky?....Just courious
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Post by lugnutz on Aug 25, 2009 18:25:23 GMT -5
I'll take Illinois anyday over Indiana. I have 500 acres of land in Illinois and never noticed the problem you mention above racktracker..Yeah if we could move the firearms slaughterfest out of the Rut we'd will be much better too....I love OBR and funny thing is the only place I hear guys complaining about it is right here on this sight..I've bowhunted all my life and I'm 40 years old nad know many a bowhunter and I have never heard one guy say anything but positive things about OBR...It must be a elite group of guys doing all the crying..? apples and oranges, Illiniois is like they are because of their hunting season structure. And i hope we NEVER have seasons structured like theirs. Regardless of what it might produce.
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Post by Decatur on Aug 25, 2009 18:34:49 GMT -5
Lug!
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Post by racktracker on Aug 25, 2009 18:37:14 GMT -5
I'll take Illinois anyday over Indiana. I have 500 acres of land in Illinois and never noticed the problem you mention above racktracker.. You are a fortunate man. Congratulations. I know a good number of Illinois deer hunters and I do peruse ArcheryTalk and Bowsite some. Not often, but some. The number of displaced deer hunters in Illinois grows every year. Go start a thread on the Illinois Bowsite about leasing, outfitters, and non-residents and see where it goes from there. Put on your Nomex clothes first. Then, it is getting bad enough over there that they formed a "Deer Population Task Force" to "help" the Illinois DNR manage the deer. Sort of like what Rep. Friend wanted to do. I'm sure that the Illinois DNR really appreciated the help. The bubble is about to burst in Illinois. www.outdoorcentral.com/hunting/joint-illinois-deer-population-task-force-makes-final-recommendations
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Post by lugnutz on Aug 25, 2009 18:43:52 GMT -5
Whatever they wann term it as...I like it!... I see more big bucks in the past 6 years than I have in the past 20 years of hunting deer in Indiana.. Yep...alot people feel the same way!!! Go to any of the other 5 "Indiana sites" and it's a welcome thing.......... Just specualting, but i'd bet hunter maturity has alot to do with the amount of larger racked deer that you have seen over the past 6 years. I know over the past 6 years i've seen alot bigger deer as well, but i also feel i've developed more as a hunter than i was 7-15 years ago. The big boys are always harder to kill, correct? Then how is the obr gonna make it easier for just anyone to kill bigger bucks?
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Post by ridgerunner on Aug 25, 2009 19:13:26 GMT -5
I've been running trailcameras for 12 years and we never had the quality of deer we have now..I have thousands of pictures that document that fact. I've hunted the same piece of property for 20 years in Indiana and i started noticing a significant increase in the number and quality of bucks just here in the pst 6 years and every year it gets better and better...We always managed the property the same over the years, nothing changed except for OBR...the research I've done and pictures are proof enough to me it's working...It is too obvious to be a happenstance..I'm sure it varies from pockets to pockets across the State, but even the official scorers I talk with in our region have seen a significant increase in the bucks entered in the Indiana books over the past several years..
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Post by deerman1 on Aug 25, 2009 19:49:05 GMT -5
I've been running trailcameras for 12 years and we never had the quality of deer we have now..I have thousands of pictures that document that fact. I've hunted the same piece of property for 20 years in Indiana and i started noticing a significant increase in the number and quality of bucks just here in the past 6 years and every year it gets better and better...We always managed the property the same over the years, nothing changed except for OBR...the research I've done and pictures are proof enough to me it's working...It is too obvious to be a happenstance..I'm sure it varies from pockets to pockets across the State, but even the official scorers I talk with in our region have seen a significant increase in the bucks entered in the Indiana books over the past several years.. Did it ever occur to those who are OBR nuts and place all the increased amount of buck deer and big ones on the shoulders of the OBR .When in fact it is more due to the fact that the deer herd around twenty years ago was estimated at that time just shy of 200,000 deer total for the state so maybe there was 75,000 total bucks at that time from BBs all the way up to the old mossy horn. Now that number as of the last year" there was" an estimate was a deer herd of almost 575,000 deer . I think by now it would be at least 600,000 or there abouts wouldn't all you ??.So I will take the biologist or scientific approach or better yet just use simple common sense and plain language and tell you that IMHO it is likely nothing more than a simple odds game at this point !!???More deer thus way more bucks to take pictures of and see not to mention that a hunter 20 years in had better be seeing more mature deer or they are simply just not very good at learning the finer points of buck hunting.Or perhaps they are just plain not very good in the woods. I mean if you roll 75,000 dice how many snake eyes are you going to see??? Now roll around 300,000 dice now how many snake eyes you got There it is its as simple at this point as maturity in the woods by older hunters and a massive amount of buck deer because the deer herd has and is growing exponentially every year and the at includes bucks.
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Post by Decatur on Aug 25, 2009 19:51:11 GMT -5
Bucks entered into the books could also be attributed to the fact that the old timers are being replaced by the newcomers who have been lead to believe that if you are not in a "book" you aren't a deer hunter, and therefore more people are registering their deer. A lot of older deer hunters, myself included, only care to share my trophies (whether doe or buck) with family and friends. That type of thinking, I'm afraid, is becoming an exception.
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Post by greghopper on Aug 25, 2009 20:10:11 GMT -5
OMG.... Explain to the Great people here how you got those figures ...what science method was used to achieve those Numbers ..... Hell our own Bio. wont grasp at things like that.... Suite up OBR guys get rain jacket and umbrella's ready!!! Here comes the "SCARE TACTICS"Deer do like to breed, I'm sure you noticed that behavior before. Take Ky. for example here, being that Ky. compares really well with Indiana in number of hunters and deer harvest numbers. When Ky. went to one buck 15 years ago or so, they had 225,000 deer statewide. They NOW have about 1,000,000 give or take a few. That ia with UNLIMITED doe tags in about half the state over the last 7 or 8 years or so. There's your numbers, and they can be proved. The deer herd will expand unless it's kept in check. If it takes adding a second buck back into the mix to get it done, it will be done. The DNR has said repeatedly that they can loose the means to control the deer herd numbers. The next push to change may not come from antler s and lost shooters but from within the DNR itself. So why has Kentucky not gone back to a multi buck state..Hmmm....25 deer per sq mi It really sad that a few people want to throw the "Whole" state under the "BUS" for a few pocket overpopulated area's....30 counties out of 90.. not a very high percent. IMO
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Post by elmo on Aug 25, 2009 20:26:03 GMT -5
Well, I have been on the sidelines until now. While one buck is fine with me, 2 would be great, but if 33% in not a very high percentage you can just send me 33% of your annual income. lol
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Post by greghopper on Aug 25, 2009 20:37:44 GMT -5
Well, I have been on the sidelines until now. While one buck is fine with me, 2 would be great, but if 33% in not a very high percentage you can just send me 33% of your annual income. lol How about 66% ....how would you like that
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Post by racktracker on Aug 25, 2009 20:42:30 GMT -5
It really sad to a few people want throw the Whole state under the "BUS" for a few pocket overpopulated area's....30 counties out of 90.. not a very high percent. IMO Do a little research before copying and pasting. There are 92 counties in Indiana. The "30 counties" is direct from Rep. Friend's bill. You quoting him now? Going back to a two buck limit is not "throwing the whole state under the bus".
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Post by elmo on Aug 25, 2009 20:44:53 GMT -5
Hey 66% would be even better. thanks I'll send you my information right away. lol
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Post by deerman1 on Aug 25, 2009 20:48:14 GMT -5
It really sad to a few people want throw the Whole state under the "BUS" for a few pocket overpopulated area's....30 counties out of 90.. not a very high percent. IMO Do a little research before copying and pasting. There are 92 counties in Indiana. The "30 counties" is direct from Rep. Friend's bill. You quoting him now? Going back to a two buck limit is not "throwing the whole state under the bus". Well said indeed .Maybe it is just throwing the less skilled" buck hunters" who also happen to take less deer annually under the bus maybe they should be more studious and flexable as well as wait for the buck they want instesd of trying the socialist method of we all should share because its not fair attitude and beg for legislation !!!! LOL
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Post by duff on Aug 25, 2009 20:54:33 GMT -5
To your social experiment. A trial period would be an experiment correct? Here is the "social" part...from a DNR publication. www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/files/fw-hg_featuredstories.pdf"With so many different types of hunters and so many different interest groups concerned about specific laws and regulations, it’s impossible to satisfy everyone. The DNR considers hunter preferences, using social science, as long as the desired result does not negatively affect wildlife. Take, for instance, the one-buck rule." Enjoy the articles, worth taking a few moments to read.
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