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Post by lugnutz on Aug 25, 2009 20:58:29 GMT -5
I've been running trailcameras for 12 years and we never had the quality of deer we have now..I have thousands of pictures that document that fact. I've hunted the same piece of property for 20 years in Indiana and i started noticing a significant increase in the number and quality of bucks just here in the pst 6 years and every year it gets better and better...We always managed the property the same over the years, nothing changed except for OBR...the research I've done and pictures are proof enough to me it's working...It is too obvious to be a happenstance..I'm sure it varies from pockets to pockets across the State, but even the official scorers I talk with in our region have seen a significant increase in the bucks entered in the Indiana books over the past several years.. I'm happy to hear that you are having success in your neck of the woods, but out of curiousity are you hunting for a mature buck or just any buck? The reason I ask is this, how would the two buck rule change, on what your willing to kill? I think we both know to kill the big one's you've got to let the lil' ones by, If you are after mature whitetails you are lettling the lil' ones by regardless of how many bucks your allow to take in a given season correct? If Johnny hunter is happy with the first buck in range, thats what he's going to take, regardless of bag limits. And if your worried that Johnny hunter is going to kill two young bucks, the percentages isn't in his favor. I believe the percentages of hunters that "double dipped" during the old regulations, was very small in comparison to total buck harvest for each given year.
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Post by greghopper on Aug 25, 2009 21:00:59 GMT -5
It really sad to a few people want throw the Whole state under the "BUS" for a few pocket overpopulated area's....30 counties out of 90.. not a very high percent. IMO Do a little research before copying and pasting. There are 92 counties in Indiana. The "30 counties" is direct from Rep. Friend's bill. You quoting him now? Going back to a two buck limit is not "throwing the whole state under the bus". no one has or is copying and pasting anything in that post...or quoting anyone also.... BTW ...If you got a issue with copying and pasting or quoting then go to the Campfire or Politics board and start your self appointed modding there.....
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Post by greghopper on Aug 25, 2009 21:24:16 GMT -5
Do a little research before copying and pasting. There are 92 counties in Indiana. The "30 counties" is direct from Rep. Friend's bill. You quoting him now? Going back to a two buck limit is not "throwing the whole state under the bus". Well said indeed .Maybe it is just throwing the less skilled" buck hunters" who also happen to take less deer annually under the bus maybe they should be more studious and flexable as well as wait for the buck they want instesd of trying the socialist method of we all should share because its not fair attitude and beg for legislation !!!! LOLIam glad that the DNR and other agencies are not taking the "stance" that a few are on forum discussions like this one....
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Post by jkd on Aug 25, 2009 21:34:56 GMT -5
I liked this part...
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The result of combining the one-buck rule with the antlerless tag policy has produced a harvest ratio close to one male to one female. Given this equal birth ratio and a nearly equal kill ratio, it’s easy to see why Indiana is close to having a balanced deer herd.
“Antlered to antlerless (ratio) harvest is about 1 to 1.55. Male (including button bucks) to female harvest ratio is 1 to 1.03, or nearly 1 to 1. It is a common misconception with hunters to think the sex ratio is off, but they fail to account for button bucks,” Stewart said.
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Post by deerman1 on Aug 25, 2009 21:55:07 GMT -5
I liked this part... ------------------------------------------------------ The result of combining the one-buck rule with the antlerless tag policy has produced a harvest ratio close to one male to one female. Given this equal birth ratio and a nearly equal kill ratio, it’s easy to see why Indiana is close to having a balanced deer herd. “Antlered to antlerless (ratio) harvest is about 1 to 1.55. Male (including button bucks) to female harvest ratio is 1 to 1.03, or nearly 1 to 1. It is a common misconception with hunters to think the sex ratio is off, but they fail to account for button bucks,” Stewart said. Bingo on the button buck thing that is why I included then in every one of my posts in one way or another. They are just a short 12 months from their first active rut and that is why the buck numbers replentish yearly and continue to recruit more even if small percentages yearly as the hunter success and numbers remain for all intensive porposes stagnant at best .This in its self with the herd growth at the current rate will IMHO make the OBR a extinct footnote at the alter of buck and herd managment here in our state in just perhaps a decade or less.
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Post by greghopper on Aug 26, 2009 5:28:41 GMT -5
I liked this part... ------------------------------------------------------ The result of combining the one-buck rule with the antlerless tag policy has produced a harvest ratio close to one male to one female. Given this equal birth ratio and a nearly equal kill ratio, it’s easy to see why Indiana is close to having a balanced deer herd. “Antlered to antlerless (ratio) harvest is about 1 to 1.55. Male (including button bucks) to female harvest ratio is 1 to 1.03, or nearly 1 to 1. It is a common misconception with hunters to think the sex ratio is off, but they fail to account for button bucks,” Stewart said. Bingo on the button buck thing that is why I included then in every one of my posts in one way or another. They are just a short 12 months from their first active rut and that is why the buck numbers replentish yearly and continue to recruit more even if small percentages yearly as the hunter success and numbers remain for all intensive porposes stagnant at best . This in its self with the herd growth at the current rate will IMHO make the OBR a extinct footnote at the alter of buck and herd managment here in our state in just perhaps a decade or less. Why is the OBR working so great in other "STATES" ... .....(Kentucky)Explain why Indiana is so different,and the OBR will not work in our state like it is in others.... are we really that "DIFFERENT"...
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Post by duff on Aug 26, 2009 5:35:18 GMT -5
What other states?
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Post by mrfixit on Aug 26, 2009 5:56:15 GMT -5
Why can't hunters have a choice or chance if you will to kill one during bow season if a bruiser happens by and another in gun season? Are large antlers really that important? If we have an inordinate amount of bucks in the area we hunt why must only ONE buck be legislated? Why can't we manage the deer in the area we hunt accordingly? Is the antler size really that important? If antler size is really that important and it's truly what defines you as a hunter and a man wouldn't you and the state be better served with antler restrictions rather than limiting or restricting everyone to one buck? I hunt for many many things and antler growth is at or near the bottom of that list. Sure killing a big one is nice but it doesn't mean I'm any more of a hunter or a man. The older I get the more important just sitting in a tree stand watching life go by and the camaraderie of the hunt is by far the most important things about deer season.
I'm against the one buck rule but I could be persuaded to support antler restrictions because I feel this would better serve the end result all you antler worshippers think you need to make you a man and still allow us old timers the enjoyment of maybe killing one with a bow and still have a reason to freeze my arse off in a stand during gun season.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 26, 2009 6:48:14 GMT -5
Iam glad that the DNR and other agencies are not taking the "stance" that a few are on forum discussions like this one.... You can be assured that the IDNR is reading the Indiana hunting forums. They can seperate the monkey doo from legitimate debate.
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Post by Sasquatch on Aug 26, 2009 6:55:16 GMT -5
Iam glad that the DNR and other agencies are not taking the "stance" that a few are on forum discussions like this one.... You can be assured that the IDNR is reading the Indiana hunting forums. They can seperate the monkey doo from legitimate debate. I hope you are correct, Woody-san. There is a lot of global warming type logic at work in this debate. I wonder how long before the eight points or better five year turns into ten year to infinity "trial period" begins?
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Post by trapperdave on Aug 26, 2009 8:37:40 GMT -5
awful lot of poo to wade thru to find anything substantive
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Post by swilk on Aug 26, 2009 8:57:09 GMT -5
awful lot of poo to wade thru to find anything substantive I havent found anything yet ......
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Post by js2397 on Aug 26, 2009 12:32:15 GMT -5
My favorite argument for the OBR goes like this:
More bucks are killed each year during the OBR period than before the OBR. That’s because the OBR saves the bucks so there are more to kill.
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Post by Decatur on Aug 26, 2009 12:42:57 GMT -5
js2397
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Post by swilk on Aug 26, 2009 13:29:14 GMT -5
My favorite argument for the OBR goes like this: More bucks are killed each year during the OBR period than before the OBR. That’s because the OBR saves the bucks so there are more to kill. ..... my question would be: How many more bucks would have been killed had there been 2 per hunter allowed. I think any reasonable person would have to agree there would have been more. How many more would be open for a meaningless debate (because we will never know for sure) ........
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Post by jackc99 on Aug 26, 2009 15:14:17 GMT -5
"meaningless debate" pretty much describes this whole thread...
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Post by swilk on Aug 26, 2009 15:17:14 GMT -5
Yes it does .....
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Post by birddog on Aug 26, 2009 15:46:11 GMT -5
I requested a couple of days ago that this thread was "out of control" and should be closed..but it's still open!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Decatur on Aug 26, 2009 15:50:03 GMT -5
If a thread bothers me, I just don't read it anymore! No need to stop a debate, even when it is pointless, as long as people are being civil.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 26, 2009 15:59:54 GMT -5
If a thread bothers me, I just don't read it anymore! No need to stop a debate, even when it is pointless, as long as people are being civil. Yep...
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