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Post by steiny on Dec 25, 2008 9:57:02 GMT -5
I'd be in favor of dropping check in all together. Let the biologists get out in the field and do some real work if they want to get meaningful data. All they get out of check in is a few kill numbers.
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Post by frameless on Dec 26, 2008 0:25:57 GMT -5
Noone seems to have mentioned the elephant in the room here - regardless of right or wrong. what's it going to cost us? I'm talking about the price of what's needed - the technology to employ tele-check.
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Post by scrub-buster on Dec 26, 2008 3:48:14 GMT -5
I am all for the telecheck. Up until this year, I would have to borrow a truck or stuff the deer in the trunk of the Saturn to check it in. Telecheck is not going to help everyone, (you can tell just by this thread), but I think it will help the MAJORITY, so why not go for it. The only thing I don't like is that I won't be getting any more metal tags. I have quite the collection hanging in the garage.
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Post by lugnutz on Dec 26, 2008 16:25:23 GMT -5
Noone seems to have mentioned the elephant in the room here - regardless of right or wrong. what's it going to cost us? I'm talking about the price of what's needed - the technology to employ tele-check. A computer program is alot cheaper than any man power.
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Post by Hawkeye on Dec 26, 2008 19:04:07 GMT -5
As I see it ,one of The best thing about tele check besides the obvious convenience is it will not harm even those who are against it.
Personally I see no downsides
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Post by trapperdave on Dec 26, 2008 19:54:40 GMT -5
Why not make improvements that save the state money while making it easier for hunters? I never said i was against it just dont see the big deal about check stations. Every post i see is guys whining about have to check the deer in. You all know thats part of it when you kill it just quit complaining about it and hunt. Seems like nowadays everyone wants to take the lazy way out. Hey John,,,ya know Greenfield PD is a check station? I took my buck in over a weekend(its a police dept...always manned. Would you believe they wouldnt check it??? ONLY M-F Its a friggin PD, manned 24-7-365, takes all of a minut or two to write the info....and they refused WTH?? We NEED tele-check!
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Post by duff on Dec 26, 2008 20:01:58 GMT -5
I'd be in favor of dropping check in all together. Let the biologists get out in the field and do some real work if they want to get meaningful data. All they get out of check in is a few kill numbers. Agreed. The random checks by the biologist could still be conducted at the meat processor's.
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Post by Decatur on Dec 26, 2008 20:15:04 GMT -5
I never said i was against it just dont see the big deal about check stations. Every post i see is guys whining about have to check the deer in. You all know thats part of it when you kill it just quit complaining about it and hunt. Seems like nowadays everyone wants to take the lazy way out. Hey John,,,ya know Greenfield PD is a check station? I took my buck in over a weekend(its a police dept...always manned. Would you believe they wouldnt check it??? ONLY M-F Its a friggin PD, manned 24-7-365, takes all of a minute or two to write the info....and they refused WTH?? We NEED tele-check! Ridiculous! I could see if they are busy and make you wait, but to not check it all is just stupid!
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Post by johnc911 on Dec 26, 2008 21:06:29 GMT -5
Thats where i took mine and the lady said she actually enjoyed doing it but that was during the week.
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Post by frameless on Dec 27, 2008 0:49:51 GMT -5
I'm talking about the price of what's needed - the technology to employ tele-check. A computer program is alot cheaper than any man power. Is the state paying for manpower at checkstations? One way or the other, times are hard, I'm not going to get excited about it with all the other pressing issues the state seems to be dealing with. I was just trying to show another side and see if anyone else had researched numbers and what-not. No biggy...
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Post by trapperdave on Dec 27, 2008 11:39:04 GMT -5
the state already has computers...no biggie there. Rigt now the state PAYS to print up the harvest sheets, PAYS to distribute them to the check stations, PAYS to collect them from the check stations, PAYS to have that info transfered to a computer(see all the steps/money saved already just gettin it into their computer systems?) And this is done year after year;whereas, They could pay a programmer one time to alter their system and be done ...period
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Post by Hoosier Hunter on Dec 28, 2008 2:51:12 GMT -5
... and the state pays the ICO that goes in to review the sheets at the check station from time to time. I'm sure their time could be used on something better.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2008 9:42:39 GMT -5
Most likely, theDNR will bid out the telephone call in system. When Ky. first started it, they hired Bass Pro to set up the phone system and the small details. It's still farmed out today. All the DNR will get is quick raw data thatr can be viewed a couple of days after the date of kill in most cases.
One problem is that Ky. has a fairly substanstial Amish popultaion, (who won't use a telephone) in parts of the state, and they are allowed to still use the old check card system handed out by the local CO and biologist that know the area in need. The data is still gathered, just not as quickly as the phone generated system.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 28, 2008 10:38:12 GMT -5
Most likely, theDNR will bid out the telephone call in system. When Ky. first started it, they hired Bass Pro to set up the phone system and the small details. It's still farmed out today. All the DNR will get is quick raw data thatr can be viewed a couple of days after the date of kill in most cases. One problem is that Ky. has a fairly substanstial Amish popultaion, (who won't use a telephone) in parts of the state, and they are allowed to still use the old check card system handed out by the local CO and biologist that know the area in need. The data is still gathered, just not as quickly as the phone generated system. Bingo... I think there are enough TeleCheck programs in use today that it wouldn't take much to modify one for Indiana's use.
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Post by Hawkeye on Dec 28, 2008 12:56:12 GMT -5
You just might have to explain to some folks in Indiana state government exactly what a computer is.LOL
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Post by Decatur on Dec 28, 2008 18:27:16 GMT -5
Most of the amish in Adams County have cell phones now, and a lot of them don't bother themselves with obeying game laws, so I guess they won't be affected.
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Post by Hoosier Hunter on Dec 31, 2008 10:19:05 GMT -5
Jack, any further talk about this?
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Post by jackc99 on Dec 31, 2008 10:32:37 GMT -5
Jack, any further talk about this? No more talk but there is a meeting on Jan 17th where it will likely be discussed. FYI - by state government decree ALL computer software and support must go through ACCESS Indiana which is a combination of state employees (very few) and contractors (overworked supporting ALL state programs). Telecheck is not real high on ACCESS Indiana's priorities even though it is on IDNR's. Typical turnaround time for IDNR via ACCESS Indiana has been about 18 months. I'm only guessing but I think it will be a phone system and likely will start with turkey season (spring/fall?). Jack
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 31, 2008 11:22:22 GMT -5
Jack, any further talk about this? No more talk but there is a meeting on Jan 17th where it will likely be discussed. FYI - by state government decree ALL computer software and support must go through ACCESS Indiana which is a combination of state employees (very few) and contractors (overworked supporting ALL state programs). Telecheck is not real high on ACCESS Indiana's priorities even though it is on IDNR's. Typical turnaround time for IDNR via ACCESS Indiana has been about 18 months. I'm only guessing but I think it will be a phone system and likely will start with turkey season (spring/fall?). Jack That is about what I heard too. The word I got from the DNR was - "Regarding the implementation of a teleharvest check in system, it remains to be seen whether it will be implemented or not next year. There have been meetings with several vendors, and last I have heard is that there will be a request for proposals, in which each vendor will provide a bid for total cost of a teleharvest system. It will then be up to administrators to determine if a teleharvest check in system is cost-efficient."
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