Firearms Season Question

I would prefer it stay like it is so that I wouldn't have to take a vacation day to hunt the first day. That would just be one less day I could take somewhere else.

Hunting the opener of archery is no big deal to me but I want to be out on the opener of gun no matter what.

My aunt is a teacher in Michigan and she was telling me when she taught the state of Michigan had a problem with students playing hookie and going deer hunting. Some counties started to schedule the deer opener a day off from school and just added a day elsewhere. I don't know if Indiana has enough youth interest to make a difference statewide, but I do know when I was in school 15 or so years ago lots of young men and a few young women missed school even if it wasn't opening day just to hunt. Many times this was by dad's side.

So if it was a fixed day of the month it could cause problems in schools. Not saying it would, but in some counties I would venture to say dad would call in sick and so would some students.

Rod

I don't understand..............

When we have a resource that is busting at the seams.....why would we want to open the season at a time that is most difficult for folks to take part in?

Don't you think that the FIRST Saturday would be just like an opener?

If you opened deer GUN season up on a Wednesday....you would have ALOT of folks taking Wed., Thurs., and Fri. off work....and STILL hunting on that first Saturday along with all the others that couldnt get off work.

I just don't understand.....

All these fellas proclaiming that they are MATURE buck hunters ONLY....because they are looking for a bigger challenge.....yet many are suggesting changes are in order to lessen that challenge??

in Michigan the rifle season always comes in on the 15 of November. my friend who lives in the thumb area told me he wish they do like Indiana and bring it in the second Saturday of November because he has to work and if the 15th falls on a weekday, he cant go until Saturday. when the 15th falls on a mon-tue-wed he has to wait a few days to go. h.h.

I'm going to go out a limb and say not many hunters would support the idea!!! LOL

Curious, if hunters feel so strongly about this sort of opener, why haven't we heard opposition to Turkey season being this way?

For me, I've pretty much felt that the DNR should set the seasons the way they believe is best.

"I just don't understand....." Stated by Camby

Believe me when I say the same thing, only towards the other dirrection.

Regardless the reasons of some hunters, there are reasons that some of you are not realizing and have yet to learn about.

One of the major "Biological" reasons for the change is this....

Breeding Ecology.
I know some will ask... What the heck are you talking about and how does that effect us and deer hunting?
Fact is, it dont effect us nor the hunting as much as the deer themselves.
The intervention of man disrupts certain natural acts of the wilds. There are some things you can think of im sure and one is people raising deer as pets like High Fence people.
Another is area's of the country where deer herds didnt have the habitat to sustain large numbers so we humans plat food plots. Now that area can see a Doe producing more than one fawn, the available food source is greater and Nature allows that animal to now have Two or Three fawns.
Another is... nature, before man steped in, kept animals even in sex ratio's. The wild animals had a pecking order and the strongest of the breed usually had domain. After a certain time period, that natural act can be replaced as it is now with the skewed ratio's and the majority of breeding done by yearlings. Continuous settings could and will alter that ecology and change the history of the animal and its Natural acts just like that High Fence Farm raised pet deer.
I really wish that you would all consider what the real terms are and how we as stewards of the land can assist in the advancement of our herd and ourselves without destroying our beloved animals.

Camby,
Could you please explain to the viewers HOW it "Lesson's the challenge"
I mean tell us how moving a season is going to make a Mature Whitetailed Buck less challenging to hunt.
Because I would really like to know why you think that is.

idhmc,

I WAS BORN AT NIGHT, BUT IT WASN'T LAST NIGHT!!!

We are talking about moving gun hunters to another time slot, but there is no mention of restricting archery hunters during this same time period....right?

"Some" selfish archery hunters WANT IT ALL TO THEMSELVES.......I can only assume the reasoning is to increase their chances at that big ole buck. If hunan intervention during this time period is so detremental, THEN ARCHERY HUNTERS SHOULD STAY OUT OF THE WOODS TOO!!!!

There is possibly more deer on this continent than the day Christopher Columbus stepped foot on this land.....I find it real hard to beleive that we are really doing anything wrong. Our herd is HEALTHY.......very very few deer suffer mortality that is not at the hands of humans. Weather they fall to a hunters weapon or a motorist vehicle, since there is basicly no predator of the deer in this area, all population controll is done by humans.

Indiana has ALWAYS had it's fair share of big TROPHY deer....it has ALWAYS been the biggest challenge to hunt and harvest one. I would think if there were 100 times more big trophy deer in the herd, it would be less of a challenge to hunt and harvest one. Couple that with the fact that "some" want fewer hunters in the woods competing for those "100 times more trophy deer"....and I don't see how harvesting a big trophy deer will remain the ultimate challenge.

Case in point:

You send your $3000.00 to a outfitter in Illionis for a 3-day trophy hunt. You have never stepped foot on the land you just paid to hunt. Your time slot rolls around, you drive over and get settled in to the outfitters camp. At O'Dark thirty the next morning you get escorted to your assigned stand. Half hour after sunrise you got a 140+ class buck heading back from the food plot to the bedding area and you put your arrow through his lungs.

Now to me, and it's just me....the most challenging part about this story is comming up with the extra $3-GRAND to pay to the outfitter!!!!!

Most "good" outfitters don't grt their "good" reputation by making it as difficult as possible on their customers.

I firmly beleive that most of the folks who have the "Give bowhunters all the prime time and everyone else scraps" attitude....have that attitude for one reason only......to INCREASE their chances at a big trophy deer. The HEALTH of our deer herd is NOT in question!!!!.........IT'S CONFIRMED.....WE DO HAVE A HEALTHY DEER HERD!!!!!

By being born at night your eyes have yet to see the light evidently.

No Camby, you still maintain a bow vs gun issue to stir the pot.... As usual.
The real topic is based on biological enhancement and what we can do to create it without causing restrictive style programs. Moving the gun season out of the rut is just one of those possible items. Problem is that its people like you that are standing in the way of progress because they have no understanding of the issue. If you were to take the time and understand just a portion of what I posted (Breeding Ecology) you could be an asset to the cause. Maybe.
"Some selfish bow hunters".... Well how selfish would you be by not making an attempt to create just cause and move a seasons time slot out of a factual vulnerable timeframe of the Whitetailed deer??? Are you not too just as selfish to want to maintain that time? And what makes that time so important to the gun hunter??? Just as you say Bow hunters are wanting prime times for themselves, the gun hunter (who has a weapon that can dispatch an animal at great yardage vs bow) wants to maintain the timeslot when the deer's metality is altered by breeding.
You "assume".... as usual. Instead of taking the time to learn about biological benifits to the herd, you set and assume... well you know the saying to that one.

Now this statement I got a kick out of.... "There is possibly more deer on this continent than the day Christopher Columbus stepped foot on this land.....I find it real hard to beleive that we are really doing anything wrong. Our herd is HEALTHY......."

As I said in another thread, Im sure you can think of other instances where man has altered nature... This is just one of them. And yes, we do have more deer now than then... HOW ON EARTH DOES THAT MAKE THEM MORE HEALTHY???
Because there is more of them??? OMG... LOL
rotflmao... Some people thought that the world was flat too. But even when evidence was givin (by sailing out of sight and then returning) they thought it was a trick and still didnt believe... Kind of like you at this point.
You maintain diligence to turn this into a bow vs gun issue.

"all population controll is done by humans."
Wrong... Again.... Coyotes have devistating effects in area's.

So because you think if we had more big bucks in the state it would make it easier to harvest one so you are against the proposal??? Figures..
How many B&C or P&Y deer have you havested? I personally have never harvested a B&C but im not in this just to make it easier either. Fact is, they are smart regardless how many there are. As you said, the state has a fair share of big bucks but I doubt youve gotten one yet.

Your "Case in point" is a joke.
For one thing, you are paying for the services of a guide. He has done all the hard work for you. He has located the deer and has set you up in a position that betters your odds than if you were to just walk into the woods and try scouting hand hunting that buck yourself. He (the guide) has done his homework and tried to pattern the buck, set stand placement for wind, cover, all so that you, the client, can enjoy the hunt from their. Guess what, that buck is just as difficult to hunt regardless. You still have to be in the right place at the right time to harvest him. Being able to pick and choose an animal to hunt is the challenge. Being able to meet him on his terms, with his ability, his knowledge of the land, in his home, is still a challenge even if there were a million of deer in one acre of land. You still have to be able to pick him out and harvest him. You crack me up dude.

Even with instances given to you, you still.... cant even open your blind eyes to see that, for one... most bowhunters are more experianced and knowledgeable about deer biology, and they care how the herd continues in this state. You on the otherhand, even with reasonalbe referances lack the ability to learn about them to possibly change your stance. Whats the matter, are you affraid that changing your mind will leave you less creditable to the viewers??? Believe me, many feel your creditability is already skewed.
Now, instead of coming back to post a reply to try and save face.... Go learn something about deer... Because your arguements thus far are rediculous at best and has NO merit what so ever. It will make a better conservationist out of you.