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Post by woodmaster on Jun 24, 2007 20:42:09 GMT -5
A buddy of mine called me this morning and told told me the farmer next to his 80 acres has 20 depredation permits. The farmer said he had already killed 12 bucks and 5 does. Needless to say he is SICK!
My buddy bought the land 2 years ago for strictly hunting and a long term investment.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 24, 2007 21:07:31 GMT -5
Woodmaster's buddy's place is about 3/4 mile south of us so this could impact us too.
The farmer real close to us has planted all corn, so depredation close to us shouldn't be a big problem. If it were beans ths farmer would be banging them too.
Weird that hunters can only kill one buck and the farmers can kill all they have permits for....in this case he could have killed 20 bucks....
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Post by stevein on Jun 24, 2007 21:28:06 GMT -5
The 5 does will = 15 deer. Think of the 10 fawns that will  starve. If they do this kind of control why don't they limit it to does and then only before fawns are born or can take care of themselves. |
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Post by tmarsh83 on Jun 24, 2007 23:02:54 GMT -5
they should do away with depredation permits anyway, its a waste
just my .02
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Post by deerman on Jun 25, 2007 0:12:16 GMT -5
I thought those tags were for antlerless deer only?
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Post by drs on Jun 25, 2007 6:01:06 GMT -5
they should do away with depredation permits anyway, its a waste just my .02 |
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 25, 2007 6:39:40 GMT -5
I thought those tags were for antlerless deer only? No. They can kill anything they want with any weapon they want. The state says a "nuisance deer" is a "nuisance deer" - buck or doe. The shooters are supposed to turn in the antlers to the DNR. If this farmer has someone killing deer of his bean fields then I cna gaurantee you they are targeting bucks. No way should the buck to doe kill ratio be 12 to 5 on a bean field. Bucks are always the last deer to hit the fields. I'm against kiling does until the fawns are weaned. I've expressed that opinion to the DNR and that is as far as it got. |
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Post by tenring on Jun 25, 2007 8:04:45 GMT -5
Someone please correct me if I'm out of date, but does'nt the depredation tags state that the above mentioned deer shall be used for human consumption or similar terminology? Several years ago, the IDH was complaining about a person in Jefferson County who was killing deer that were a nuisance in one of his tomatoe fields and leaving the carcass for the elements. I complained to the right people at the time, [as a matter of principle] but was told that due to manpower shortage [# of COs'] that checking on this person on a routine basis was out of the question. I then suggested to the head of LEO who was standing behind me at a meeting that a "courtesy call" then was in order. Found out later that his permits were denied at 8am the next morning via phone call. It's all politics, so learn how to play the game [just like permit holder] and things might just go a little better than you expected.
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Post by kevin1 on Jun 25, 2007 8:25:42 GMT -5
That's not what the permits are about, they're all about reducing the gross number of deer, and taking out a doe that probably has twins takes out up to three deer on a single permit. If I could change one thing it would be to limit them to antlerless only, with on site verification by the local CO or county sheriff, so that the carcass could be recovered for a food bank if it were not needed by the landowner.
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Post by freedomhunter on Jun 25, 2007 8:41:15 GMT -5
Depredation should be anterless only, period. Otherwise, it serves a purpose to reduce the herd in overpopulated areas. The farmers that I know that used to depredate would never shoot a buck intentionally, and all the deer were butchered and given away in the area.
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Post by Decatur on Jun 26, 2007 15:41:13 GMT -5
I understand why some farmers may need depredation permits, however, they should be forced to donate the deer they shoot to food banks. It's ridiculous to just let all of that good meat go to waste!
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Post by rhinodogg on Jun 26, 2007 20:27:09 GMT -5
2 different views here. The farmers that get their crops destroyed, and us hunters. You fellas should talk to these farmers and get permission to hunt and use the dep tags the way YOU want.
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Post by bsutravis on Jun 27, 2007 9:22:48 GMT -5
It's totally against the entire OBR debate to allow substantial hits to the antlered deer with dep tags. Why even TRY to grow bigger deer through OBR if we are letting farmers (and the people they allow to kill the deer) to blast away at the bucks. I'm all for the farmers being able to protect their property (crops) on their land.....but it would be nice to have some amount of restriction on it and limit it to does.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jun 27, 2007 10:06:37 GMT -5
It's totally against the entire OBR debate to allow substantial hits to the antlered deer with dep tags. Why even TRY to grow bigger deer through OBR if we are letting farmers (and the people they allow to kill the deer) to blast away at the bucks. I'm all for the farmers being able to protect their property (crops) on their land.....but it would be nice to have some amount of restriction on it and limit it to does. Ditto!  |
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 27, 2007 10:29:10 GMT -5
The terminology has changed and the DNR now calls these "Nuisance Deer Permits".
Some farmers consider every deer a "nuisance deer" as a buck can eat as many soy beans as a doe. The orchard farmers really take it out on the bucks as the bucks are the ones that damage/kill their young trees by rubbing on them.
In some areas this has become an "early gun season" for some.
A few years back a friend of mine had been watching a soy bean field almost every evening. By dark this field would have about a dozen and a half deer in it and one was a very nice buck. The big buck was ALWAYS the last deer to hit the field.
One evening my friend got to the field a little late, but still in plenty of time to see deer. He was totally surprised that there were no deer in he field when he arrived.
He immediately noticed movement at the edge of the woods and here was a guy in full camo loading that buck onto a 4 wheeler. My friend glassed the "hunter" and saw that he had a shoulder holstered handgun on.
No doubt in our minds that this guy was after that buck and that buck only.
Way too much of that going on..
Maybe the DNR can-
1) Do a better job of educating the farmers on controlling the herd and concentrating on does.
2) Insist that farmers allow deer hunting on their ground or withhold the permits that does not mean a farmer has to open his gates to everyone, but at least make an honest effort to control deer through normal hunting.
3) Make sure that the turning in of any buck's antlers is strictly adhered to.
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Post by cambygsp on Jun 27, 2007 11:40:48 GMT -5
2) Insist that farmers allow deer hunting on their ground or withhold the permits that does not mean a farmer has to open his gates to everyone, but at least make an honest effort to control deer through normal hunting.
This is an easy one, and it should be done!
We should insists on it!
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Post by mbogo on Jun 28, 2007 15:08:26 GMT -5
I wouldn't have as much of a problem with the "nuisance deer permits" if deer actually did half the damage they are blamed for.
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Post by freedomhunter on Jun 28, 2007 17:32:41 GMT -5
Racoons damage a lot of corn crops and deer are blamed for it. The nuisance program is in sore need of some change in the way it is regulated.
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Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on Jun 28, 2007 17:43:36 GMT -5
I remember a few years a back,a farmer that lived next to the property I hunted killed several deer (bucks and does) then buried them with his bulldozer.He didn't even have any crops of any kind out. I heard a few later he did it illegaly and the DNR hung his butt over it.Today,part of that property is HNF.The hunting did suck for a few years.
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Post by turkeyscout on Jun 28, 2007 20:26:52 GMT -5
I wouldn't have as much of a problem with the "nuisance deer permits" if deer actually did half the damage they are blamed for. |
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starve. If they do this kind of control why don't they limit it to does and then only before fawns are born or can take care of themselves.
