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Post by cambygsp on Jul 1, 2007 10:12:48 GMT -5
Guess it's easy for you to say, since you aren't the landowner. Come on Travis, ABUSE is rampent in the out of season permit system. If a farmer has THAT many folks hunting, then I doubt the deer herd is out of control. If a farmer DOES HAVE a serious problem then it seems to me he would accept help from almost anyone?....don't it? I just can't fathom some farmer in a situation where deer are eating ALL HIS CROPS.......and he don't want hunting during deer season by as many folks as possible. Look at the situation last year where the kid went off the deep end and shot those motorists on I-65 after a July deer hunt......from the media reports that July deer camp was an annual tradition.....lol Deer hunters deer hunting during the deer season,............ thats the only method that should be used to manage a deer herd!!!!!
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Post by trapperdave on Jul 1, 2007 10:34:02 GMT -5
I seam to recall researching this subject a couple years ago and learned that A. the farmer had to allow hunting to get the permits and B. there was only a couple hundred permits issued statewide(so dont worry, the herd wont dissappear). Whats corn going for now? around 3 bucks a bushel? 150 bushels/acre= 450 dollar loss for every acre lost to deer plus the lost cost of seed, fuel to plant the seed, wasted money to fertilize the seed and wasted money on herbicide......adds up pretty quick.......how long wopuld it take you to have a coniption if your employer started witholding a larger percentage of your check than they already do? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ANYONE ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/Woowoo1/censored.gif) in about farmers should make sure they dont do so with a full mouth!n I love the way people think the government is giving away all this money to farmers, makes ya wonder why 80 percent have left the fields and work in the factories now. Have ya tried talking to these farmers with deer problems and asked permission to hunt? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ?If so did ya show up the day before season all dressed in camo?
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Post by tony on Jul 1, 2007 10:38:46 GMT -5
There is a local farmer and friend that allows too many hunters on his property as it is very crowded during gun season and has never had depredation tags in all of his years farming, This year with the near drought conditions in our area the deer were concentrated around the small river that divides his place and when his soybeans sprouted the deer devoured them .He lost 7 acres or more of his crop because they ate the beans down to the point that they stopped growing and the rest of the field is damaged.So 7 acres x50 bushels potential harest per acre x $8 / bushel =$2800 lost not including fertilizer ($43/acre), seed ( $35/acre) , time , fuel ( too much as we all know ) loss of income on the damaged balance of the field and wear on equipment. So he said he needed to do something and got permits. He has resticted his shooters to antlerless only and requires that the meat be utilized. In such cases the deer that were there for water and damaging his crop may not even be present during season and the fact that the problem has to be stopped NOW not wait until October I can understand the need for these permits:however , I do know that this system is abused just like many others things in our society. .
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Post by dmd on Jul 1, 2007 10:57:22 GMT -5
My $.02: #1 You deer hunters ARE NOT shooting enough deer. You are mostly interested in antlers. Oh, I know, you'll all jump on me telling me how many does each of you shoot every year, but the fact of the matter is you are not. #2 You deer hunters are a jealous self-serving group. You're all afraid someone else is going to get YOUR deer. So you "protect" your hunting grounds from each other. #3 The damage is taking place in the growing season. If I have a bachelor group of bucks munching on my beans and I have my permits, I'm shooting them. Bucks eating beans are just as damaging as does eating beans. If I happen to shoot 2 or 3 does, then hopefully, I've also killed 5 or 6 fawns. They'll grow up to be bean eaters too. You guys also to keep in mind, that in most cases, the farmer IS NOT the landowner.
In my opinion, we are but a hair's breadth away from deer being relegated as vermin. And you'll only need to look in the mirror to see the cause.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 1, 2007 11:54:12 GMT -5
My $.02: #1 You deer hunters ARE NOT shooting enough deer. You are mostly interested in antlers. Oh, I know, you'll all jump on me telling me how many does each of you shoot every year, but the fact of the matter is you are not. TRUE... TRUE... #3 The damage is taking place in the growing season. If I have a bachelor group of bucks munching on my beans and I have my permits, I'm shooting them. Bucks eating beans are just as damaging as does eating beans. If I happen to shoot 2 or 3 does, then hopefully, I've also killed 5 or 6 fawns. They'll grow up to be bean eaters too. You guys also to keep in mind, that in most cases, the farmer IS NOT the landowner. In my opinion, we are but a hair's breadth away from deer being relegated as vermin. And you'll only need to look in the mirror to see the cause. TRUE again... to a lot of farmers the deer are hooved rats eating up their income. Too many deer, not enough hunters, not enough open hunting ground (too much controlled by and for a few) spells for a looming disaster.....
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Post by tmarsh83 on Jul 1, 2007 13:10:41 GMT -5
In any business a certain amount of "shrinkage" is calculated into the costs.
Deer are going to eat crops. So are coon, possums, and anything else with a sweet tooth for something green.
Do you honestly believe that if you shoot 5 deer out of your bean field 5 more won't be there later?
No matter what, there will be a certain percentage of a crop that is never realized. No matter what that is going to happen to everyone, and no matter what that will not change.
I have worked on farms, I have known farmers. Little farms make a little money, no different than anything else. Small resturants make small dollars. Family farms have been bought out by business farmers. For those who know how to work the system there is a boatload of money in farming. New tractors, new combines, new trucks, all on the government's (MYYYYYY!!!!!!!!) dime. Yes, i know where the food comes from. I also know that part of inflation is the cost of farm subsidies. Eco-Fuels have only made it worse.
Shoot all the deer you want mr farmer man, you will say, "I PUT FOOD IN YOUR MOUTH LEAVE ME ALONE TO DO AS I WISH." I get that. Farmers are just as self serving and self absorbed and selfish lot as deer hunters.
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Post by cambygsp on Jul 1, 2007 14:09:21 GMT -5
My $.02: #2 You deer hunters are a jealous self-serving group. You're all afraid someone else is going to get YOUR deer. So you "protect" your hunting grounds from each other. not all deer hunters, but for the most part, your probabaly right!
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Post by dbd870 on Jul 1, 2007 14:33:24 GMT -5
I'll leave the numbers up to the DNR, but I suspect your right. How do we address that? An extended doe only season
No doubt on that one.
Do we need a second season then? And should there be a mechanism to facilitate hunters and farmers finding each other, with hunter's ed. being mandatory perhaps; with dangerous/obnoxious hunters paying a price in loss of license for some period of time?
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Post by kyle on Jul 2, 2007 6:03:30 GMT -5
I think camby should try farming and see how long he last!
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Post by mullis56 on Jul 2, 2007 6:35:45 GMT -5
I think camby should try farming and see how long he last! OUCH!
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Post by Harley on Jul 2, 2007 8:47:56 GMT -5
If were not killing enough deer then maybe we should introduce x-bows into early archery season to entice more hunters. I would also like to extend the firearm season. I would like to see firearm season open the whole month of Nov.
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Post by cambygsp on Jul 2, 2007 9:09:58 GMT -5
I think camby should try farming and see how long he last! No thanks, I run a multi million dollar a year plumbing business, thats keeps me busy enough. As a business we have situations where we loose money, sending a service guy to Muncie to run a urinal at a Steak N Shake for $107.50 is a loss........but we make it up on other service we run for them.
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Post by tmarsh83 on Jul 2, 2007 9:22:14 GMT -5
We are killing plenty of deer. More deer than ever. We will never kill enough deer for the farmers who refuse to acknowlege that they will lose some of their crop to animals.
Killing more deer in the fall will only mean more fawns in the spring.
Some people will never be happy...
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Post by kyle on Jul 2, 2007 11:23:33 GMT -5
I think camby should try farming and see how long he last! No thanks, I run a multi million dollar a year plumbing business, thats keeps me busy enough. As a business we have situations where we loose money, sending a service guy to Muncie to run a urinal at a Steak N Shake for $107.50 is a loss........but we make it up on other service we run for them. What kind of tax breaks do they get? Im sure they write off fuel and other stuff to!
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Post by cambygsp on Jul 2, 2007 11:51:34 GMT -5
Tax Break? I'm not aware of any "breaks" on taxes for us. What about where a farmer 'leases" his land to deer hunters, then gets them out of season permits too, kinda enhances the value of the lease ![huh](https://www.ingunowners.com/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif) ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2007 12:15:30 GMT -5
Kentucky used to give a lot of dep tags, then they went with zones and unlimited doe tags in about half of the state. One of the determining factors is farm complaints of crop damage. Now, after a few years in effect, very few dep tags are given out. For the most part, farm loss has dropped to almost nil or at least to a social capacity where the farmers will accept it.
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Post by hunter7x on Jul 2, 2007 12:40:57 GMT -5
Tax Break? I'm not aware of any "breaks" on taxes for us. What about where a farmer 'leases" his land to deer hunters, then gets them out of season permits too, kinda enhances the value of the lease ![huh](https://www.ingunowners.com/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif) ? + Yes especially when the lease agent uses it in his sales pitch.
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Post by freedomhunter on Jul 2, 2007 13:31:56 GMT -5
I think some of the corn down south that is looking good is going to bring nearly $4/bushel (correct?). Also heard there is talk of some kind of pre-payment (before it is harvested). Anyway, it has been very easy this year to get permission to hunt from land owners that have corn! Very few land owners are the actual farmers anymore, it does create a break-down point in communications as to how the depredation is being conducted.
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Post by mullis56 on Jul 2, 2007 15:02:17 GMT -5
I don't think u run a multi million company....common Camby you just work there....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2007 15:20:49 GMT -5
I don't think u run a multi million company....common Camby you just work there.... Camby--can you point out ONE lease that you've seen advertised that used dep permits as a selling tool? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) Just one...... ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png)
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