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Post by cambygsp on Oct 4, 2005 20:40:19 GMT -5
Should Indiana go to a permenant OBR, should the IDNR just offer ONE buck tag for sale?
If you don't fill it during early archery, use it during gun. If you don't fill it during gun, use it for M/L?
Wouldnt extending the shelf life of the buck tag encourage folks to be more selective?
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Post by jajwrigh on Oct 4, 2005 22:47:30 GMT -5
Yes, why not?
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Post by jbwhttail on Oct 4, 2005 22:50:56 GMT -5
I believe IDNR needs the revenue, an archery tag and a firearms tag should be sufficient. let the seasons dictate the license needed. Heck your archery tag is good for all the mentio9ned seasons as long as you hunt with conventional archery gear.
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Post by jbwhttail on Oct 4, 2005 22:51:35 GMT -5
I believe IDNR needs the revenue, an archery tag and a firearms tag should be sufficient. let the seasons dictate the license needed. Heck your archery tag is good for all the mentio9ned seasons as long as you hunt with conventional archery gear.
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Post by idhmc on Oct 5, 2005 0:02:24 GMT -5
I posted up as NO but do understand the thought and costs our hunters are faced with currently.
I love the word *If* ... here it goes... I would change to a Yes IF, an "Earn a Buck" Program was in place and the tag owner earned the buck tag in early archery but was unable to use it. But the only way he could use that tag is to "Earn a Buck" again in the following weapons portion. I have no clue to how they would police the effort and really dont want to think that hard about it.
As it stands now, our state could use the money as its set up right now. Its going to take a while to create the revenue loss from L/L holders and the extra money that was gained by having the chance to hunt two bucks.
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 5, 2005 4:02:13 GMT -5
There is no doubt that the DNR needs more revenue, but $72.00 (archery, gun, M/L) is too much to charge a resident to hunt a buck during deer season.
Our license structure is geared toward a one and one buck bag. If the buck bag changes, so should the license structure.
I think it would be very irresponsible to change the buck bag and not the license structure. Besides that, extending the shelf life of buck tags goes hand in hand with what a OBR is designed to accomplish....make hunters more selective!!!
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Post by duff on Oct 5, 2005 6:49:29 GMT -5
And promotes the killing of does. If a guy could just buy one buck tag then the extra money could go to the doe tags. The state just made bonus tags good for every season, why not the buck tag? I agree with Camby on this one. I really doubt that there is that much of an increase in revenue from the people who buy 2 buck tags.
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 5, 2005 6:59:28 GMT -5
Duff, Some folks must buy 3 buck tags... It takes a buck tag for archery, general firearm and Muzzleloader.....Actually some folks are proposing and pushing for even more "types" of buck tags.(  ??) There is a PRICE to be paid for being selective....it is currently set at $72.00 and I am sure it's going up! For the folks who have to buy tags, thats $72.00 annually (under the current price) if they want to *HUNT* a buck the entire deer season. |
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Oct 5, 2005 9:10:35 GMT -5
I think that it is too early to decide on a "permanent" OBR @ this point in time. Indiana buck herd management data needs to be studied to see if positive results have occured with our current OBR program.
As far as I am concerned, a buck is a buck no matter what your weapon of choice is. As far as additional revenues go, I think that the average deer hunter would be more apt to hunt the other deer seasons if a one buck tag was good for the season. More hunters afield, more often generates more money for the state, ie... ammo tax, food tax, sales tax, wheel tax, etc...
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Post by squirrelhunter on Oct 5, 2005 9:14:03 GMT -5
To clarify things here,there is only one buck tag and that is the firearms tag .The archery and muzzleloading tags are either sex tags .Just wanted to point that out  . |
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Post by hunter7x on Oct 5, 2005 9:40:45 GMT -5
I have a hard time with an opinion onthis one as I have a lifetime license and have had one for almost 20 years.
I understand its expensive, but isn't hunting a previdge not a right ?
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Post by trapperdave on Oct 5, 2005 12:14:22 GMT -5
Its getting to be a "privelidge" for the wealthy and a pipe dream for the poor. Money,money,money
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Post by duff on Oct 5, 2005 15:20:04 GMT -5
I have a life time license also but I think it just makes perfect sence to simplify the deer tags. If a hunter is only allowed one antlered deer regardless of weapon, that hunter should only have to buy one license. Squirel hunter, if you are hunting early archery and want to shoot a buck if it presents its self you must buy an archery tag, otherwise now you can buy a bonus tag. A firearm tag is only good for an antlered deer, and if you don't take your antlered deer then and want to hunt for an antlered deer during mz season you must buy another tag.
Make it simple and make one tag good for all seasons just make a buck tag and bonus antlerless tags. Dang that is simple. In the process bump the price up a bit I'd guess $30-35 is a heck of a deal compaired to $70. Most guys don't buy all three tags anyways so the state would not be losing much tag revenue but they would likely make it up in people expanding their hunting times. I like the KISS method for nearly everything.
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Post by jbwhttail on Oct 5, 2005 19:40:48 GMT -5
The previous system(two buck) also had the same revenue stream or license requirements, nothing has changed. You needed to purchase all three buck tags if you had not killed a buck in general gun season.
Another little side note on that "whopping" 72.00 for buck tags this year we have 95 days of deer season (not including urban zones) available. That equates to $0.76 per day. Now first thing that will be said is"folks don't hunt 95 days", that doesn't matter, the days are available.
Then here we are complaining about a buck tag, it is about antlers and not recreational value....correct? But the very same people will buy a 12 pack of beer each week, lets see 95 days equal 13 weeks. That's 11.00 X's 13 weeks 143.00. Or a carton of cigarettes a week. 31.00 X's 13 weeks 403.00. Or let's do a movie each week at the theatere, 7.50 X's 13 weeks.......97.50.
So where is the real value?
And when did Sportsmen decide they no longer want to pay for wiuldlife and the management?
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 6, 2005 6:47:58 GMT -5
You hit the nail Duff,
I would also bet the majority of folks who have to purchase tags would in fact buy more ANTLERLESS tags if they only had to purchase one buck tag.
Amazing is the fact that the chief antlerless harvest proponent has missed this...lol
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 6, 2005 7:06:15 GMT -5
The previous system(two buck) also had the same revenue stream or license requirements, nothing has changed. You needed to purchase all three buck tags if you had not killed a buck in general gun season. <snip> of the beer and cigarettes comparison.. Not really.. the key word in your sentence is IF. Since most bucks ARE killed in gun season the OBR keeps anyone from buying another buck tag IF they were successful. By the IDNR data the OBR has kept a rather large group from purchasing a second tag. That group is getting bigger as the yearly harvest of bucks is rising. The OBR has caused loss of opportunities for hunters and revenues generated by license sales, gasoline, motels, hunting goods, grocery items, resturants, etc, etc, etc.. Just in an attempt to grow some trophies, when we already had them . |
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 6, 2005 7:20:44 GMT -5
Woody,
Lets look at the positives.
The OBR has allowed many many many folks who otherwise don't put the time and effort into the sport, the opportunity to harvest a buck deer with at least one 3-inch long antler.
In many instances, these folks would have gone home empty handed, or purchased a bonus tag and shot a antlerless deer.
For the loss in license revenue there is a very easy fix.
Add more opportunity with more weapon choices at times of the season that is currently under-utilized.
The OBR is not all that bad of a deal. It just comes with lots of extra baggage that the hunters of this state will have to decide, if they are willing to carry it.
All you have to do is look south of the river.....the writing is on the wall!
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Post by Rick Lyon on Oct 6, 2005 7:57:58 GMT -5
And when did Sportsmen decide they no longer want to pay for wiuldlife and the management? When the small special interest groups want to commercialize deer hunting for everyone! That's when. |
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Post by Rick Lyon on Oct 6, 2005 8:06:57 GMT -5
BTW, just a FYI: Indianas Whitetail season is only 88 days long, not 95 as was stated in a previous post.
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Post by squirrelhunter on Oct 6, 2005 9:33:53 GMT -5
Duff I realize if you want to hunt a buck you need all 3 tags if you don't get one.I was just pointing out that people keep calling the archery and muzzleloading tags "buck" tags when they can be used for "does".If people would quit being so antler obsessed and shoot the first legal thing that came by (more does) that would help with the population problem the DNR is trying to solve.So why not use that tag on a doe if you (general meaning)haven't got a buck yet and there are only a few days left in the season and then the tag won't be wasted. Plus there's something for the freezer.You can't eat antlers anyway ;D. |
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