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Post by cambygsp on Aug 27, 2006 10:59:15 GMT -5
Looking to Kentucky, do you think a permenant OBR in Indiana will change our October part of the deer season, at some time?
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 27, 2006 11:40:56 GMT -5
Looking to Kentucky, do you think a permenant OBR in Indiana will change our October part of the deer season, at some time? Who knows.....my crystal ball doesn't go out that far..
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Post by indianahick on Aug 27, 2006 14:31:08 GMT -5
I voted no. But then I really do not know but my opinion is that October will remain an archery season as will December for both archery and muzzleloader with the idea being to facilitate that harvest of antlerless (mainly does which will be in large groups by December). If anything you might end up like Ill and have an extended season into Jan.
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Post by solohunter on Aug 27, 2006 17:49:44 GMT -5
No. Solohunter
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Post by hunter480 on Aug 27, 2006 18:23:35 GMT -5
Hopefully not-however, if these little organized, vocal specality groups keep it up, they could get something rammed through, just like the stupid OBR.
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Post by duff on Aug 28, 2006 3:21:46 GMT -5
Who knows??? 10 yrs ago would anyone believe we would be limited to 1 buck and basically unlimited does? It wasn't that long ago that we had to be drawn for a bonus antlerless tag. 30 yrs ago guys were just happy to see deer while hunting (so I've been told). Or deer hunting in State Parks, that was a huge change.
I really doubt we are done seeing changes in deer hunting.
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Post by rmc on Aug 28, 2006 3:42:53 GMT -5
Hunter480, everyone had the oppertunity to voice thier opinion and have input on the OBR.
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Post by greghopper on Aug 28, 2006 4:47:41 GMT -5
Hunter480, everyone had the oppertunity to voice thier opinion and have input on the OBR. Yes they DID....And yes the have!!!!!
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Post by cambygsp on Aug 28, 2006 5:37:26 GMT -5
Hunter480, everyone had the oppertunity to voice thier opinion and have input on the OBR. Yes they DID....And yes the have!!!!! YES!!! But wasn't it a ***5 YEAR TRIAL*** Won't the 5 years be expired after this upcomming deer season? I FIRMLY beleive if we go to a PERMENANT OBR, we will see a whole bunch of other changes and why not.....you will be limited to ONE BUCK and if you want it (the OBR) to REALLY work, you need to get those folks who are only hunting one or two gun weekends to hunt more often! We'll see...............
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Post by hornharvester on Aug 28, 2006 6:04:25 GMT -5
If the OBR becomes the rule the dnr needs to change the license system and sell a one buck tag that covers all seasons. our licenses system was created under a two buck limit, one with archery and one with gun. the two season hunter has to eat a deer license if they don't shoot a doe in archery season. the same applies to muzzleloader if you don't use your buck tag in gun then you have to buy another license for a buck. so, if you are just a buck hunter you might have to purchase three licenses to kill a buck.
another thing is since there are more bucks and fewer hunters to control the deer population there should be more seasons added, like an early muzzleloader season in archery season, add crossbows to the archery season and add a late muzzleloader season in January.
as responsible hunters we have to make season and weapon changes along with the harvest changes in order to keep the deer herd in check. that could mean the bow hunters will be sharing part of the archery season with muzzleloader and crossbow hunters in the near future. h.h.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Aug 28, 2006 6:28:19 GMT -5
I voted no. Hopefully OBR in Indiana will go away.
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Post by grappledad on Aug 28, 2006 6:40:13 GMT -5
I see crossbow being added in the near future, but I'm not sure about muzzle loader. I also think OBR will go away , if for nothing else to see if it made any difference. How about extending the season for primative weapons, no in-lines,no wheels, no scope kinda thing?
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Post by kevin1 on Aug 28, 2006 6:54:59 GMT -5
"Permanent" is a very big word when applied to game regs , nothing about them is ever permanent . I don't see the OBR being permanent anyway because sooner or later the bucks will overpopulate too .
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Post by mbogo on Aug 28, 2006 7:51:40 GMT -5
If the obr is given credit for anything then surely it must get credit for serving as a notice that small vocal minorities can enact changes in hunting regulations when the majority is unaware or apathetic. Although I think it will be more difficult now than in the past, I doubt the obr will be the last change whether or not it stays or goes.
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Post by greghopper on Aug 28, 2006 10:48:36 GMT -5
If the obr is given credit for anything then surely it must get credit for serving as a notice that small vocal minorities can enact changes in hunting regulations when the majority is unaware or apathetic. Although I think it will be more difficult now than in the past, I doubt the obr will be the last change whether or not it stays or goes. If you think the Group that wants the OBR is small and the Group that is against it is the Majority....Then you are being FOOLED !!!!!Look at the numbers....
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Post by indianahick on Aug 28, 2006 11:34:59 GMT -5
While not a proponent of the obr it may well be another way to reach that magical formula of 1 buck for every two or three does instead of killing enough does to reach it that way. Not as many hunters feel that a doe is a worthy trophy. Which may end up with longer seasons, more weapons and more state property. But on the down side it will also mean that as there are more and larger herds the size of the animals will decrease as the availability of nutrition decreases. In the same manner as the deer that live in the state parks suffered.
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Post by dec on Aug 28, 2006 11:47:09 GMT -5
I just love how, in the eyes of most of the anti-OBR people, OBR is going to be the catalyst for everything negative for hunting in Indiana. First of all, OBR is not a permanent regulation. This is the last year of the trial period. At the end of this year, IDNR will decide if we are a 2 buck or 1 buck state. Many of you know my stance on this, so I'm not even going to argue my pro-OBR position. So, why don't we all just drop the attitude that OBR is causing or will cause all the problems in our state such as QDM, season dates, weapons of choice, leasing, or any other hunting related issue that is debatable. OBR is simply that OBR. It is not QDM, though it can be used as a tool in a QDM program. It is not related to any seasonal or allowable weapons regulations, unless someone from IDNR is on here and would like to enlighten all the "experts". IMO, OBR will in no way effect the hunting seasons, nor do I really want it to. I'd like to see some season date changes, but they have nothing to do with OBR staying or going. But I'm just guessing, just as everyone else on here is. Yet some on here believe that I and any other pro-OBR person wants to eliminate seasonal opportunities from hunters. What hog wash. No one on here is directly affiliated with IDNR besides the few C.O.'s, to my knowledge. So that means that this site along with the others is made up of arm chair quarterbacks when it comes to hunting regulations, season dates, herd dynamics, and deer biology. So in a nut shell, your guess as to season changes is no better than anyone else's. Yet you all continue to get worked up over something that A) you have no control over and B) may or may never happen. I can't believe the imaginations that some on here have.
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Post by hunter480 on Aug 28, 2006 11:57:55 GMT -5
I just love how, in the eyes of most of the anti-OBR people, OBR is going to be the catalyst for everything negative for hunting in Indiana. First of all, OBR is not a permanent regulation. This is the last year of the trial period. At the end of this year, IDNR will decide if we are a 2 buck or 1 buck state. Many of you know my stance on this, so I'm not even going to argue my pro-OBR position. So, why don't we all just drop the attitude that OBR is causing or will cause all the problems in our state such as QDM, season dates, weapons of choice, leasing, or any other hunting related issue that is debatable. OBR is simply that OBR. It is not QDM, though it can be used as a tool in a QDM program. It is not related to any seasonal or allowable weapons regulations, unless someone from IDNR is on here and would like to enlighten all the "experts". IMO, OBR will in no way effect the hunting seasons, nor do I really want it to. I'd like to see some season date changes, but they have nothing to do with OBR staying or going. But I'm just guessing, just as everyone else on here is. Yet some on here believe that I and any other pro-OBR person wants to eliminate seasonal opportunities from hunters. What hog wash. No one on here is directly affiliated with IDNR besides the few C.O.'s, to my knowledge. So that means that this site along with the others is made up of arm chair quarterbacks when it comes to hunting regulations, season dates, herd dynamics, and deer biology. So in a nut shell, your guess as to season changes is no better than anyone else's. Yet you all continue to get worked up over something that A) you have no control over and B) may or may never happen. I can't believe the imaginations that some on here have. Many of us have no conspiracy theories running through our heads, we simply dislike the OBR because it`s someone else’s deer management shoved onto all of us. And you`re correct that no one is going to change anyone’s mind on here about the position they take. You`re also correct that this is the final year for the silly regulation, but already the “other” side is bending the ears of all their faithful, and have begun yapping at the DNR about what happens next, stay, or go? We`ll see where it goes, but I strongly dislike not only the OBR being foisted on all of us, but I dislike the attitudes of the OBR proponents, that they know better than we do as to what`s best for all of us.
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Post by dec on Aug 28, 2006 12:46:57 GMT -5
but already the “other” side is bending the ears of all their faithful, and have begun yapping at the DNR about what happens next, stay, or go And why shouldn't they be? As should the anti-OBR crowd. I thought one of the cool things about this country was that you could voice your opinions to the powers that be in an effort to influence votes. In theory the majority should win, but we know that is not always the case, not just in hunting, just look around. So again, I ask, why shouldn't the pro-OBR side be speaking their minds to IDNR? I know the anti-OBR side is ... as they should be. We can debate all day about which side is the majority. I can tell you this though. One poll on one website is certainly not going to indicate a majority one way or the other. Polls from various sources should be considered, as well as surveys and attendence at public meetings. Gathering all that data will give a more accurate trend to what the majority wants. Arm chair it all you want. Right now it is a lot of hot air retoric and whining, IMO. One anti-OBR website is not going to be considered as the majority, just as the "other" site (vastly pro-OBR) will not define a majority in that direction. IDNR, I believe, will make their decision based on several sources of information of public opinion.
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Post by cambygsp on Aug 28, 2006 15:24:01 GMT -5
I agree, if we end up with a "non-trial" OBR the IDNR will need to look at a season long buck tag. The short shelf life of buck tags are ANTI-OBR!!!!!
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