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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 18, 2006 8:23:15 GMT -5
In these heated debates every now and then a gem will appear in all the chaos.
The posts by hunter480, bsutravis, rogerdailey are some of those gems.
Thanks.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Aug 18, 2006 8:54:30 GMT -5
I'm curious, being that I'm pro-leasing and know the benefits that many hunters reap from it, AND I'm also a member of the QDMA-- are I not welcome on this site . You already know the answer to that.. . Heck yeah!! We can always agree to disagree. That's the American way.
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Post by rhinodogg on Aug 18, 2006 10:43:16 GMT -5
I lease, and will continue to do so. I tried to get "free" land to hunt and at one time had a great place to hunt in Jefferson county, but got pushed out by a group offering big $. I'll do what I have to do to be able to hunt a private area with great potential for deer and turkey.
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Post by mullis56 on Aug 18, 2006 11:11:51 GMT -5
In these heated debates every now and then a gem will appear in all the chaos.
The posts by hunter480, bsutravis, rogerdailey are some of those gems.
Thanks. Woody, where is the love? I guess I'm not upto the standards of some of the others.......
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 18, 2006 11:33:41 GMT -5
In these heated debates every now and then a gem will appear in all the chaos.
The posts by hunter480, bsutravis, rogerdailey are some of those gems.
Thanks. Woody, where is the love? I guess I'm not upto the standards of some of the others....... LOL.. I missed your "gem".. sorry..
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Post by polypros on Aug 18, 2006 11:39:33 GMT -5
The only advanvtage I can see with leasing is perhaps improving the land for hunting by putting in food plots or cutting some timber to improve bedding areas. Maybe someone has enough money to lease, but not buy. Maybe another reason is you are the only person(s) allowed to hunt that particular land and can manage the herd how you please. Personally I have been blessed with being born into the right family who happens to own substantial acreage in southern Indiana. If I didn't have that, I don't know what I would do. I supose I would knock on some doors first and hunt public land second. Those leases aren't cheap. I think a good deed for the farmer should go farther than a business relationship such as leasing.
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Post by mullis56 on Aug 18, 2006 13:41:23 GMT -5
Woody, where is the love? I guess I'm not upto the standards of some of the others....... LOL.. I missed your "gem".. sorry.. For some reason I think your being sarcastic!! Not at all..
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Post by danf on Aug 18, 2006 14:36:51 GMT -5
I'm late on this discussion, but I'm seeing the issue like Travis.
As a landowner, *THE* last thing I want is for the state to tell me what I can and cannot do with my land. It's bad enough that in some places you just about have to get a permit to go take a pee, and that's at a local level. I don't live in a place like that, and don't ever intend to.
With the DNR always needing more money, the last thing they need is for another regulation to have to enforce. I'd rather the DNR spend that money on buying new public land than policing the private landowners. I don't see any regulation or law restricting leasing being enacted, either by the DNR or by the legislature. There are too many private landowners that would sign up for the lawsuit that would surely come about, and all it would do is cost the state (and the landowners) money in the end. No one would "win" (in the truest sense of the word), but the regulation/law would be overturned for sure.
Yes, I am a landowner, so I will have a place to hunt as long as we own the ground. However, we only own 11 acres, with about 3-4 of that being wooded and huntable. Not much to hunt, but it's where I killed my doe last year... My family also owns ground, but that's 50 miles away and not exactly huntable during the week unless I take a day off.
If you want ground to hunt, buy it! It's that simple. Leasing is about landowner rights, not hunting privledges. At least with leasing, someone is getting to hunt the ground. My nieghbors across the road have 110 acres (of *prime* habitat) and allow NO hunting. That, my friends, is more frustrating than leasing. Maybe we should enact a law that requires them to allow hunting....?
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Post by hunter480 on Aug 18, 2006 21:41:07 GMT -5
In these heated debates every now and then a gem will appear in all the chaos.
The posts by hunter480, bsutravis, rogerdailey are some of those gems.
Thanks. Woody-You know, we ALL are passionate about hunting, and I know I have to REALLY make the effort to stay grounded and keep my cool when I`m debating something I`m passionate about, most of us do I think. It`s even more so when we see something that we care deeply about changing for the worst, or becoming lost to us, and whether it`s real or perceived, we react accordingly, and it`s a very real issue that the face of hunting as we know it is changing. It certainly depends on your perspective as to whether you feel it`s for the better or not, but I believe most guys feel like we’re starting to lose something that we used to have, and even if we can`t always define it exactly, we just have the uneasy feeling that something we cherish is slipping away from us. My gosh, I don`t know what I’d do if I couldn’t be in a tree stand October thru December-if I hadn’t seen that very nice 10-pointer chasing that doe across a picked bean field opening morning of gun season 3 seasons ago. If I hadn’t been with my nephew 4 seasons ago, standing in the dusk, looking down at a big-bodied 8-pointer I had just killed, when he put his hand on my shoulder, and told me how after they found the cancer in his colon at age 33, that he hadn’t thought he’d ever be out deer hunting again. If I hadn’t been with my hunting partner, Harold Greene when he killed his very first ever white-tail, and huge bodied 8-pointer, with bow no less. All these reasons, and more, are why we fear losing our hunting heritage-it isn`t nearly as much about the killing as it is about the hunting, and the friendships and camaraderie we share in the field. And sure, we get selfish about something that means as much to us as hunting does, because for all the clichés, and all the commercialization of hunting, hunting REALLY IS more than just something we do, it really is more of something inside of us-and I know I don`t ever want to lose that. That feeling of being in the last of the wild places, where time and work and deadlines, and all the hectic, shallow obligations of everyday living are gone, and all that matters is shadow, sound, movement-you`re hunting. Man, we’re only about 6 weeks out from opening of bow season in Indiana, and I have SO much to get done, I still have to get started shooting my bow, I have to get a load worked up for my Knight Disc Extreme and get the scope zeroed, gather all my gear and check everything out, sort it, get it loaded into my pack, and fanny pack-lots to do, not much time, but it`s good stuff to be doing. It won`t be long at all until the leaves will have changed colors, fallen, and we’ll hear hooves on frost covered leaves. Does it get any better? I hope we all find common ground guys; we all love the same thing.
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Post by RiverJim on Aug 21, 2006 6:39:30 GMT -5
I had 4 farms around me I could hunt for nothing. I lost one last year because the owners grandson took over the biz of the farm and give his buddy excluisve permission. The other 3 I still can hunt FOR FREE. 2 of them is bow season only. But that's fine with me.
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Post by mullis56 on Aug 21, 2006 17:25:21 GMT -5
In these heated debates every now and then a gem will appear in all the chaos.
The posts by hunter480, bsutravis, rogerdailey are some of those gems.
Thanks. Woody-You know, we ALL are passionate about hunting, and I know I have to REALLY make the effort to stay grounded and keep my cool when I`m debating something I`m passionate about, most of us do I think. It`s even more so when we see something that we care deeply about changing for the worst, or becoming lost to us, and whether it`s real or perceived, we react accordingly, and it`s a very real issue that the face of hunting as we know it is changing. It certainly depends on your perspective as to whether you feel it`s for the better or not, but I believe most guys feel like we’re starting to lose something that we used to have, and even if we can`t always define it exactly, we just have the uneasy feeling that something we cherish is slipping away from us. My gosh, I don`t know what I’d do if I couldn’t be in a tree stand October thru December-if I hadn’t seen that very nice 10-pointer chasing that doe across a picked bean field opening morning of gun season 3 seasons ago. If I hadn’t been with my nephew 4 seasons ago, standing in the dusk, looking down at a big-bodied 8-pointer I had just killed, when he put his hand on my shoulder, and told me how after they found the cancer in his colon at age 33, that he hadn’t thought he’d ever be out deer hunting again. If I hadn’t been with my hunting partner, Harold Greene when he killed his very first ever white-tail, and huge bodied 8-pointer, with bow no less. All these reasons, and more, are why we fear losing our hunting heritage-it isn`t nearly as much about the killing as it is about the hunting, and the friendships and camaraderie we share in the field. And sure, we get selfish about something that means as much to us as hunting does, because for all the clichés, and all the commercialization of hunting, hunting REALLY IS more than just something we do, it really is more of something inside of us-and I know I don`t ever want to lose that. That feeling of being in the last of the wild places, where time and work and deadlines, and all the hectic, shallow obligations of everyday living are gone, and all that matters is shadow, sound, movement-you`re hunting. Man, we’re only about 6 weeks out from opening of bow season in Indiana, and I have SO much to get done, I still have to get started shooting my bow, I have to get a load worked up for my Knight Disc Extreme and get the scope zeroed, gather all my gear and check everything out, sort it, get it loaded into my pack, and fanny pack-lots to do, not much time, but it`s good stuff to be doing. It won`t be long at all until the leaves will have changed colors, fallen, and we’ll hear hooves on frost covered leaves. Does it get any better? I hope we all find common ground guys; we all love the same thing. 480 - you bring up many good points about the GREAT things that surround hunting. The getting ready, the practice, the memories, etc, etc. I to could NEVER image not being able to go to the woods with my dad who is in his 60's or with my best friend and business partner...and sooner rather than latter the kids that I plan on having (we've been trying for a few months now). The memories of killing a 12 pointer in the morning that was a NASTY non-typical and then me saying, "Little Don, BIG deer and BIG Don (my dad) little doe." Later that same evening my dad shot a 164 inch 12 pointer, and my dad saying, "Big Don, BIG deer, little Don, little deer." That was one of the best days of my life........money couldn't buy that moment. Last year, my buddy who hasn't shot anything for 3 years because he was waiting for a BIG buck shooting an 8 pointer with his bow and he was the happiest man alive. It was the biggest trophy but it was the biggest trophy for both of us at that point in time!! Or 2 years ago, when I hunting this TALL racked 8 pointer the year prior and could never score on him with my bow. Then the next year (2 years ago) I couldn't seem to get him close enough during bow season, and had my closest encounter the day prior to shot gun season where I could have taken a risky shot with my bow right at dusk and didn't. The next morning he was chasing a doe right around me for 50 minutes and I finally killed him with my gun, it was rewarding as heck! Those are the types of things we ALL love about our sport, and can't seem to get away from it! BTW - he ended up having 11 points, but I was glad to finally score him after hunting him for 2 seasons...
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