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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 15, 2006 8:45:53 GMT -5
I got this off of "another site" and wanted to get you all's take on it..$1000.00 QDMA Hunting Lease Raffle. Base Camp Leasing has hooked up with the Quality Deer Management Association to offer a gift certificate good towards any Base Camp Leasing hunting lease. Certificate is good for 3 years from date of issuance. Good for renewals or first time leases. Drawing to be held at the Indiana QDMA Branch Banquet & Gun Raffle on Saturday, August 19, 2006 beginning at 5:00 P.M. Hamilton County Fairgrounds, Noblesville Indiana. Need not be present to win. Come join in the fun and learn more about QDMA. Call 317-576-9520 for more information. Go to the right hand column of the website at www.basecampleasing.com to make a $10 raffle ticket donation for your chance to win a $1000 hunting lease. Alll proceeds go to QDMA. Max # Hunters: no limit Total Price: $10
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Post by Decatur on Aug 15, 2006 8:48:27 GMT -5
I'd rather not comment on the QDMA, I've been attacked enough lately. Pass.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Aug 15, 2006 8:58:05 GMT -5
I'd rather not comment on the QDMA, I've been attacked enough lately. Pass. ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by drs on Aug 15, 2006 9:40:01 GMT -5
I am totally against these Leasing Business, grabbing up all the hunting grounds and then price gouging Hunters. These businesses are taking a Resource, that the people of Indiana own, and making a profit on it. No wonder there are areas where the Deer population is too high. It's because these companies move in and take over and displace many Hunters from their hunting areas, only allowing a few to hunt that can afford their price gouging fees. They also take away good management controls from the State's game management. This leasing pratice should be illegal. If one wants to give a landowner or Farmer a "tip" for allowing them to hunt, I have no problem with this at all. But when a company or outfiter moves in a state that has few hunting areas, and leases up all the hunting grounds, then I see a BIG PROBLEM!
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Post by chicobrownbear on Aug 15, 2006 10:21:31 GMT -5
While I don't like or appreciate in any way the practice of leasing land for hunting purposes, I must recognise that the land belongs to a private landowner who has usufruct rights. I would, however, disassociate myself from any organization that I belong to that catered to large leasing operations like Base Camp. Its one thing for a private landowner to lease his/her own property under the concept of usufruct land ownership, but I feel that large leasing companies cross a line. But as we do live in the land of the free, a society rooting itself in capitalism, there is no legal or technical wrongdoing on the part of Base Camp. That being said, I feel that the practice of raffling off lease rights as a tax write off (you know it will be) is particularly disgusting. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usufruct |
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Post by kevin1 on Aug 15, 2006 10:27:18 GMT -5
As I have zero interest in either the QDMA or leasing it means exactly Dick to me . All they'll need is 100 suckers to pay it off and the rest will be gravy , and all of us will pay the price of it someday . It annoys me enough that it's legal and is helping to send hunting to Hell in a hand basket , that's about as far as I care to think about it .
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Post by 10point on Aug 15, 2006 13:45:02 GMT -5
I agree with the others. Don't like it.  |
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Post by indianahick on Aug 15, 2006 14:50:34 GMT -5
I think I've made my point in that I do not like leases and that I believe that them and would be outfitters are at the point of obr.
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Post by jackc99 on Aug 15, 2006 21:16:56 GMT -5
I wonder if they obtained a raffle license from the Gaming Commission like they are supposed to do?
Jack
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 15, 2006 21:30:51 GMT -5
I wonder if they obtained a raffle license from the Gaming Commission like they are supposed to do? Jack Good question Jack. My other question is - Is the QDMA promoting leasing (actually sub-leasing) by accepting this prize of a lease at their raffle? Does anyone know QDMA's position on leasing? . |
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Post by drs on Aug 16, 2006 6:12:30 GMT -5
I wonder if they obtained a raffle license from the Gaming Commission like they are supposed to do? Jack Good question Jack. My other question is - Is the QDMA promoting leasing (actually sub-leasing) by accepting this prize of a lease at their raffle? Does anyone know QDMA's position on leasing?. Woody, It is becomming more and more clear that a "Group" exists, in our State, (and Others) that is trying to price the average Hunter out of his sport. They want Big Buck with Big Racks, and they feel the only way to accomplish this is to simply cut the number of Hunters, by pricing them out of the sport of Hunting. The State Legislature & IDNR should be aware of this and atleast try to regulate it or stop it altogether. |
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Post by RoadKill on Aug 16, 2006 7:00:14 GMT -5
....They want Big Buck with Big Racks,.... Yes, its all about Big Buck$ with Big Rack$. |
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Post by bsutravis on Aug 16, 2006 7:08:43 GMT -5
I don't lease land, and I wish it wasn't as prevalant as it's becoming....HOWEVER, how is leasing your land to a big time operation like Base Camp any different than having a big time timber company come in and harvest the timber, or a mining company come in and start drilling for oil or digging for coal on YOUR LAND??? We don't like it because it takes away possible hunting areas, but our objections are purely SELFISH! You wouldn't like it if I came in and told you that you cannot have the local farmer come in and lease YOUR LAND for crops or hay cutting.
Nope....I wish the notion was never conceived to lease hunting rights, but it's no different than leasing timber rights, mineral rights, or any other situation where the land owner wants to utilize their property for profit. I'd just LOVE to hear the folks that have posted anti-leasing posts squeeeeeeal like a piggy if the gov't stepped in and restricted use of YOUR land like you are advocating.
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Post by drs on Aug 16, 2006 9:10:31 GMT -5
I don't lease land, and I wish it wasn't as prevalant as it's becoming....HOWEVER, how is leasing your land to a big time operation like Base Camp any different than having a big time timber company come in and harvest the timber, or a mining company come in and start drilling for oil or digging for coal on YOUR LAND??? We don't like it because it takes away possible hunting areas, but our objections are purely SELFISH! You wouldn't like it if I came in and told you that you cannot have the local farmer come in and lease YOUR LAND for crops or hay cutting. Nope....I wish the notion was never conceived to lease hunting rights, but it's no different than leasing timber rights, mineral rights, or any other situation where the land owner wants to utilize their property for profit. I'd just LOVE to hear the folks that have posted anti-leasing posts squeeeeeeal like a piggy if the gov't stepped in and restricted use of YOUR land like you are advocating. Then our sport of Hunting will soon be unavailable to the average Hunter, and then the sport dies off. Business like "Base Camp" are robbing our Hunting from us. I even bet the IRS is closely watching them, as I see room for a lot of "under-the-table" dealings.  |
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Post by bsutravis on Aug 16, 2006 10:52:46 GMT -5
As long as there is PUBLIC LAND to hunt in Indiana than everyone has a place to hunt. I'm sorry that we all don't own a 1000 acre sanctuary to hunt and manage as you wish. Base Camp leasing is not taking State land away from anyone....till then, nobody has a right to condemn a land owner for leasing their land. Nowhere does it say that every citizen has a RIGHT to hunt on someone else's property, it's a HUGE priviledge. DRS, you make it sound like Base Camp is taking away your God given right to go hunt on private land. There are more public hunting opportunities in this state than ever before if you can't find someone willing to let you hunt their property fee-free, than you should take advantage of what Indiana offers it's citizens......if that's not good 'nuf, than try another state.
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Post by drs on Aug 16, 2006 15:07:03 GMT -5
As long as there is PUBLIC LAND to hunt in Indiana than everyone has a place to hunt. I'm sorry that we all don't own a 1000 acre sanctuary to hunt and manage as you wish. Base Camp leasing is not taking State land away from anyone....till then, nobody has a right to condemn a land owner for leasing their land. Nowhere does it say that every citizen has a RIGHT to hunt on someone else's property, it's a HUGE priviledge. DRS, you make it sound like Base Camp is taking away your God given right to go hunt on private land. There are more public hunting opportunities in this state than ever before if you can't find someone willing to let you hunt their property fee-free, than you should take advantage of what Indiana offers it's citizens......if that's not good 'nuf, than try another state. While "Base Camp" & other "Outfitters" are not taking away public land; they are tying up a great deal of private that was once used by Hunters, for over a period of years, untill they have it taken from them by BIG MONEY! Now, until I joined these Indiana Forums, I never heard of these outfitters. As far as places to hunt I have access to them and I don't have to pay a lease to hunt on them. the owners are nice enought not to even consider charging me to hunt on their land. They might do things differently up where you live in a Big City, but you get out in smaller rural communities you'll find people a bit less greedy. |
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Post by hunter480 on Aug 16, 2006 16:36:04 GMT -5
As long as there is PUBLIC LAND to hunt in Indiana than everyone has a place to hunt. I'm sorry that we all don't own a 1000 acre sanctuary to hunt and manage as you wish. Base Camp leasing is not taking State land away from anyone....till then, nobody has a right to condemn a land owner for leasing their land. Nowhere does it say that every citizen has a RIGHT to hunt on someone else's property, it's a HUGE priviledge. DRS, you make it sound like Base Camp is taking away your God given right to go hunt on private land. There are more public hunting opportunities in this state than ever before if you can't find someone willing to let you hunt their property fee-free, than you should take advantage of what Indiana offers it's citizens......if that's not good 'nuf, than try another state. I think you`re out of line here-everyone has the right to voice their opinion, as well as dislike where we see the booming business of leasing taking deer hunting. Me personally, I strongly dislike both qdm and the leasing that`s quickly taking hunting out of the grasp of the average guy. And as for public ground, you`d be better off in Iraq than hunting most public ground-some of the guys out there have zero business handling firearms. And I don`t see me trying another state, I want to try to effect some change and get something positive done. Heck, there`s some group on another website that seems to have good luck getting their management passed as law. |
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Post by bsutravis on Aug 16, 2006 22:47:02 GMT -5
Nobody's out of line 480...I can voice my opinion just the same as you. The original post on this issue was to generate some discussion. My opinion is that while most of us wish that leasing never exisited, I would never support state or federal govt "outlawing" the practice of leasing your land for hunting rights. If you own 1000 acres and want to charge a fee to allow hunters on it, than that is your right as a property owner. How is this any different than a farmer taking a field, digging some pit blinds....and charging goose hunters to come in and hunt??? OR opening your property up to dog runners to chase racoons and rabbits for a fee? OR using an outfitter / guide service to set you up on a bear or elk hunt?
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Post by mullis56 on Aug 17, 2006 1:49:07 GMT -5
Nobody's out of line 480...I can voice my opinion just the same as you. The original post on this issue was to generate some discussion. My opinion is that while most of us wish that leasing never exisited, I would never support state or federal govt "outlawing" the practice of leasing your land for hunting rights. If you own 1000 acres and want to charge a fee to allow hunters on it, than that is your right as a property owner. How is this any different than a farmer taking a field, digging some pit blinds....and charging goose hunters to come in and hunt??? OR opening your property up to dog runners to chase racoons and rabbits for a fee? OR using an outfitter / guide service to set you up on a bear or elk hunt? BSU your right, I agree with you. I say good for Base Camp, they see opportunity and they seize it......I say good for the outfitters too. Try to go to IL and hunt? You'll pay BIG time. They still have plenty of hunters! Go to Iowa you'll pay big time! I don't like high fenced guaranteed hunts, but I see no reason someone can't make a living off of the industry...as it is "Land of the FREE and home of the BRAVE." I was a BRAVE sole buying 90 acres at age 28, but for being BRAVE I now don't have to be a B***H like you as I have my place to hunt, and I may charge you less then base camp once they take over the farms you hunt land, but I'd take your money! I also took the risk now knowing I buy again next year and the year after and the year after........and I'm FREE to do that but it also is a B***H and a RISK I'm taking. That way I won't look like an iddiot saying that farmer is greedy for wanting to make some money off of the seemingly useless piece of his buiness the woods. The farmer runs a business just like a corporation does sooner or later they will realize they have un-utilized assests making no return and they'll get the return....it may just take a call from an outfitter or Base Camp or me telling them that for them to realize it! Or for them to get squeezed by raising taxes, FUEL costs, land costs, etc.....sooner rather then later you'll pay or hunt state ground....so that leaves me with a question what will you hunt? Or will you? I'm was just as excited as you were about this whole situation, but when you can't beat 'em join or go to the local state ground I pay for but will never use! Your FREE to do what you want, as I just did........you might want to consider you and your group of friends so you can gather resources to help your future lease payment or once again you can just B****H, truely it is your RIGHT if you'd like, but I think it is funny ;D |
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Post by hornharvester on Aug 17, 2006 7:08:48 GMT -5
This discussion is getting personal and turning into a  ing match, lets clean it up guys. h.h. |
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