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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Apr 1, 2022 8:26:43 GMT -5
I think this huge all at once increase will drop the number of deer hunters and revenue for Indiana. With today's inflation and economy I see a lot dropping out from out of state hunters. They will find a way to hunt their state or stop hunting altogether. It is becoming an old rich man adventure. Forget the 20-40 year old's with families.
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Post by jjas on Apr 1, 2022 8:53:26 GMT -5
I think this huge all at once increase will drop the number of deer hunters and revenue for Indiana. With today's inflation and economy I see a lot dropping out from out of state hunters. They will find a way to hunt their state or stop hunting altogether. It is becoming an old rich man adventure. Forget the 20-40 year old's with families. I understand your point but let's look @ at the cost of the bundle license a bit closer. The resident deer bundle went from $65.00 to $91.00 per year. The increase amounts to $26.00 per year, $2.16 per month, or .50 cents per week. I don't see an extra .50 cents per week causing a massive drop in resident deer hunters based on that. The non-resident deer bundle went from $295.00 to $550. The increase amounts to $255.00 per year, $21.25 per month, and $4.95 per week. The numbers above for non-residents are quite a bit higher (especially @ first glance) and it might keep some non-residents saying they aren't coming to Indiana to deer hunt this year. Will it amount to a substantial drop in out of state hunters? I have two friends who come in every year to deer hunt and both have said the increase won't keep them from buying a buck tag this season. In the end, everyone will have to make their choice, but I can tell you that .50 cents a week isn't going to change whether I buy a bundle license or not.
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Post by greghopper on Apr 1, 2022 9:03:43 GMT -5
The fact is rates haven't gone up in several years and like it or not, resident and non-resident hunters were going to pay substantially more when they were raised. Do I like paying more for a license? Of course not, but it was due to happen. As far as the landowner issue goes, I'd be unhappy too, but @ this point all you can do is try to get Kentucky to play along as I don't see Indiana changing the new rates. Many folks in Indiana have actually been wanting a non-resident increase...guess they sort of got their wish it seems.IMO BTW.. most that come here from out of state are after ONE deer for the most part! Remember we are NOT in a reduction mode anymore.
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Post by steiny on Apr 1, 2022 9:11:01 GMT -5
elmucho277, My grandson, who deer hunts with me, works and lives in Chicago. He is an optimist and always purchased the NR bundle for $295. He just started deer hunting and has now hunted with me for 4 seasons so far and has never taken home more than one deer. One big doe and two yearling bucks. One year he did not kill any deer...his choice as he passed several. Now the NR bundle is $550 which he will not buy. The DNR just made a buck only deer hunter out of him and that will be $240 from his pocket to the DNR - Loss of $155 for them. I can understand the price going up but not that big of a leap all at once. Yea, this is a rotten deal. I've got family from Michigan that likes to come hunt and they will be facing the same issue. The non residents selection is not great either. That $240 should cover one deer, either sex. Lot's of folks won't shoot a buck unless it's decent size but would still gladly take a nice doe and get some meat during the couple days they get to hunt here.
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 1, 2022 9:29:01 GMT -5
I can fully understand the need to raise all licenses. It’s been awhile since the last price increase.
HOWEVER such a big jump should be spread out over the years, not all at once. Of course some will gripe no matter how much it’s raised and when.
I do believe that any increase should be an X percent across all licenses, including non-residents. Thid increase leads me to believe that the DNR is listening to the Indiana deer hunters who would just as soon lock out all non-residents.
Except for my grandson I don’t have a dog in this fight…. I have a lifetime hunting license. I’ll be 83 soon so I’m hoping to get in a few more years hunting with my grandson.
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Post by jjas on Apr 1, 2022 9:33:04 GMT -5
I can fully understand the need to raise all licenses. It’s been awhile since the last price increase. HOWEVER such a big jump should be spread out over the years, not all at once. Of course some will gripe no matter how much it’s raised and when. I do believe that any increase should be an X percent across all licenses, including non-residents. Thid increase leads me to believe that the DNR is listening to the Indiana deer hunters who would just as soon lock out all non-residents. Except for my grandson I don’t have a dog in this fight…. I have a lifetime hunting license. I’ll be 83 soon so I’m hoping to get in a few more years hunting with my grandson. What does the process entail to raise tag prices and does your grandson come in for multiple seasons or just one?
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 1, 2022 9:39:26 GMT -5
I think this huge all at once increase will drop the number of deer hunters and revenue for Indiana. With today's inflation and economy I see a lot dropping out from out of state hunters. They will find a way to hunt their state or stop hunting altogether. It is becoming an old rich man adventure. Forget the 20-40 year old's with families. I understand your point but let's look @ at the cost of the bundle license a bit closer. The resident deer bundle went from $65.00 to $91.00 per year. The increase amounts to $26.00 per year, $2.16 per month, or .50 cents per week. I don't see an extra .50 cents per week causing a massive drop in resident deer hunters based on that. The non-resident deer bundle went from $295.00 to $550. per year. The increase amounts to $255.00 per year, $21.25 per month, and $4.95 per week. The numbers above for non-residents are quite a bit higher (especially @ first glance) and it might keep some non-residents saying they aren't coming to Indiana to deer hunt this year. Will it amount to a substantial drop in out of state hunters? I have two friends who come in every year to deer hunt and both have said the increase won't keep them from buying a bundle license this season due to an increase of $5.00 per week. In the end, everyone will have to make their choice, but I can tell you that .50 cents a week isn't going to change whether I buy a bundle license or not. Good point BUT, licenses are not paid for weekly or monthly. It’s one lump sum right up front. I’m quite sure the DNR bean counters have this all figured out with “Yeah, we will lose some hunters and their revenue but we will make it up in increased fees.” Way babk when I was a young man a group of us went to Colorado every year to bowhunt. NR Archery licenses was $25. Colorado raised it to $90 and we swore that was it. No more Colorado bow hunting… but the mountains beckoned and we went back. Yes, there are folks that won’t be able to pay an increased NR fee and will quit coming here.
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Apr 1, 2022 9:40:20 GMT -5
I think this huge all at once increase will drop the number of deer hunters and revenue for Indiana. With today's inflation and economy I see a lot dropping out from out of state hunters. They will find a way to hunt their state or stop hunting altogether. It is becoming an old rich man adventure. Forget the 20-40 year old's with families. I understand your point but let's look @ at the cost of the bundle license a bit closer. The resident deer bundle went from $65.00 to $91.00 per year. The increase amounts to $26.00 per year, $2.16 per month, or .50 cents per week. I don't see an extra .50 cents per week causing a massive drop in resident deer hunters based on that. The non-resident deer bundle went from $295.00 to $550. per year. The increase amounts to $255.00 per year, $21.25 per month, and $4.95 per week. The numbers above for non-residents are quite a bit higher (especially @ first glance) and it might keep some non-residents saying they aren't coming to Indiana to deer hunt this year. Will it amount to a substantial drop in out of state hunters? I have two friends who come in every year to deer hunt and both have said the increase won't keep them from buying a bundle license this season due to an increase of $5.00 per week. In the end, everyone will have to make their choice, but I can tell you that .50 cents a week isn't going to change whether I buy a bundle license or not. I agree 100% on resident. Not a big change. I think the out of state will become buck hunting only group for the majority. The bundle is getting up there in cost. It's not that one .50 cents, but the .50 cents on everything. It will be interesting to see what happens with the life high inflation and the additional costs to hunt deer. Next year at this time will see if the buck ratio increased significantly. That should tell the story on the choice hunters made.
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 1, 2022 9:42:07 GMT -5
He has hunted the tail end of the archery season and the first part of the firearm season. He also comes down to hunt turkeys with me. That NR license is now $175 for just one bird,
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Apr 1, 2022 9:52:53 GMT -5
That NR license is now $175 for just one bird.
Hunting has become a "food on the table from the woods" verses "food on the table from the stores". If budget conscious, store wins every time. There will be a break price point.
I see fishing numbers going up.
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Post by jjas on Apr 1, 2022 10:13:23 GMT -5
Woody Williams
If the license increase is that big a stretch and the person can't just reach in their pockets, then perhaps saving for it is the best idea. In your grandson's case, if the money is a big deal, then perhaps he could just come in for firearms or crossbow and buy a buck tag just for that season.
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Post by jjas on Apr 1, 2022 10:26:39 GMT -5
Wayne's honeybees
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I agree 100% that the out of state hunters will key on bucks (which they likely were anyway).
As for the .50 cents, we all have to prioritize what is important to us and if killing multiple deer is your priority then buying a bundle is your best option (even if you have to save for it). If killing a buck is your priority and you can't spend a lot of money, then I would buy a one season buck tag and be done with it.
But if inflation has tightened a person's budget to the point where saving a few dollars a week isn't doable, then maybe sitting out this hunting season is something that person should consider.
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Post by greghopper on Apr 1, 2022 11:21:02 GMT -5
Wayne's honeybees . I agree 100% that the out of state hunters will key on bucks (which they likely were anyway). As for the .50 cents, we all have to prioritize what is important to us and if killing multiple deer is your priority then buying a bundle is your best option (even if you have to save for it). If killing a buck is your priority and you can't spend a lot of money, then I would buy a one season buck tag and be done with it. But if inflation has tightened a person's budget to the point where saving a few dollars a week isn't doable, then maybe sitting out this hunting season is something that person should consider. The Buck to Doe ratio won’t change much… out of state guys are already Buck only hunting for the most part!
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Post by jjas on Apr 1, 2022 11:45:31 GMT -5
Wayne's honeybees . I agree 100% that the out of state hunters will key on bucks (which they likely were anyway). As for the .50 cents, we all have to prioritize what is important to us and if killing multiple deer is your priority then buying a bundle is your best option (even if you have to save for it). If killing a buck is your priority and you can't spend a lot of money, then I would buy a one season buck tag and be done with it. But if inflation has tightened a person's budget to the point where saving a few dollars a week isn't doable, then maybe sitting out this hunting season is something that person should consider. The Buck to Doe ratio won’t change much… out of state guys are already Buck only hunting for the most part! I looked @ the 2020 harvest data and it showed the number of deer killed by non-residents was 6,361 (which equates to 5.1 percent of the total harvest). I couldn't find a breakdown of antlered vs antlerless in the report for the 6,361 deer.
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Post by elmucho277 on Apr 1, 2022 12:22:10 GMT -5
I can fully understand the need to raise all licenses. It’s been awhile since the last price increase. HOWEVER such a big jump should be spread out over the years, not all at once. Of course some will gripe no matter how much it’s raised and when. I do believe that any increase should be an X percent across all licenses, including non-residents. Thid increase leads me to believe that the DNR is listening to the Indiana deer hunters who would just as soon lock out all non-residents. Except for my grandson I don’t have a dog in this fight…. I have a lifetime hunting license. I’ll be 83 soon so I’m hoping to get in a few more years hunting with my grandson. Woody, I could not agree with you more!! I hear grumblings in KY from some resident hunters wanting to raise NR license rates for deer into the stratosphere to discourage out of state hunters from hunting in KY like they just did in Indiana. I don't agree with it at all, it's just a selfish way of thinking which is usually held by those hunters who use it as one of many unfounded excuses why they cannot harvest a deer or a particular buck they're after. The license fee increases should definitely be raised over a period of time and should be raised at the same percent across all licenses, including non-residents. And breaking the cost of something down to the amount per day or week is like anything else. A person can look at a $75,000 new truck and say, "Hey, if I get a 7 year loan at 3% interest and break it down by the day, it's only $30 a day. I can afford that." But in all reality, it's still the grand total of a lot of money in addition to other life expenses. People's budgets fall behind from nickels and dimes thinking that way. Just because you can pay that doesn't mean it's worth it.
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Post by deadeer on Apr 1, 2022 12:37:12 GMT -5
The Buck to Doe ratio won’t change much… out of state guys are already Buck only hunting for the most part! I looked @ the 2020 harvest data and it showed the number of deer killed by non-residents was 6,361 (which equates to 5.1 percent of the total harvest). I couldn't find a breakdown of antlered vs antlerless in the report for the 6,361 deer. Can you get the numbers from a year or two earlier? 2020 the year of covid might be off the avg a little. Not that it makes much diff.
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Post by jjas on Apr 1, 2022 13:15:53 GMT -5
I looked @ the 2020 harvest data and it showed the number of deer killed by non-residents was 6,361 (which equates to 5.1 percent of the total harvest). I couldn't find a breakdown of antlered vs antlerless in the report for the 6,361 deer. Can you get the numbers from a year or two earlier? 2020 the year of covid might be off the avg a little. Not that it makes much diff. 2018 non-resident harvest 5,529 5% of total harvest. 2019 non-resident harvest 5,903 5.1% of total harvest. Didn't vary by much over the 3 year period.
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Post by jjas on Apr 1, 2022 13:31:29 GMT -5
elmucho277
While I can understand why you are upset about the increase, Indiana isn't likely to drop the tag costs and Kentucky isn't likely to play along with reciprocity. So unfortunately in the end only you can answer if you are willing to pay the fee increase or not.
Good luck with your decision.
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Post by steiny on Apr 1, 2022 13:50:40 GMT -5
The non-resident deer bundle went from $295.00 to $550. The increase amounts to $255.00 per year, $21.25 per month, and $4.95 per week. The numbers above for non-residents are quite a bit higher (especially @ first glance) and it might keep some non-residents saying they aren't coming to Indiana to deer hunt this year. Breaking the cost down by the month or week doesn't make sense. Nobody hunts deer every month / week of the year. Consider the average non resident probably only hunts about five days, that $255 equals an additional $51 per day to hunt. It's substantial.
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Post by jjas on Apr 1, 2022 14:15:34 GMT -5
The non-resident deer bundle went from $295.00 to $550. The increase amounts to $255.00 per year, $21.25 per month, and $4.95 per week. The numbers above for non-residents are quite a bit higher (especially @ first glance) and it might keep some non-residents saying they aren't coming to Indiana to deer hunt this year. Breaking the cost down by the month or week doesn't make sense. Nobody hunts deer every month / week of the year. Consider the average non resident probably only hunts about five days, that $255 equals an additional $51 per day to hunt. It's substantial. When you look @ the bigger picture, breaking it down by cost over time helps shed light on what they are ultimately complaining about. In the end, the owner will have to decide if a couple of hundred dollars is going to keep him from fully enjoying his property or not.
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