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Post by jjas on Feb 12, 2022 12:35:13 GMT -5
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Post by Huntnfreak on Feb 12, 2022 13:46:10 GMT -5
I agree...almost all of the mature bucks I had on camera moved under the cover of darkness. Some on farms with little pressure and some on highly pressured farms.
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Post by esshup on Feb 12, 2022 13:54:37 GMT -5
Think about it for a minute. We as hunters are doing this to ourselves. (But we have no way to fix the problem) If someone thinks genetics doesn't have much to do with it, they never have trained many dogs of the same blood line and seen how they do.
I believe the reason for this is that we as hunters shoot the deer that come out and move during the day. (we have to, we cannot legally hunt at night) The deer that only move at night survive to pass their genetic material on and that continues to make the issue worse.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 12, 2022 13:58:58 GMT -5
I said some time back we are creating super deer….
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 12, 2022 14:34:45 GMT -5
Deer are not stupid. On highly pressured land of course some deer will move more at night. Are bucks becoming more nocturnal? If you are managing your property for older age classes, most likely they are. Regardless just about all bucks will move in daylight during breeding season. I put little faith in article.
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Feb 12, 2022 15:23:11 GMT -5
I haven’t noticed any difference. Actually saw more around 830am and later this year. About the same in the evening.
BUT, I have really adjusted my entry and exits to avoid spooking them. Stopped riding the quad back and more stealthy getting in and out. Picking and choosing optimum hunting times and weather forecasts.
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Feb 12, 2022 16:17:34 GMT -5
Around my neighborhood where we are out during daylight the older deer are not. Now this genetics is moving out into rural areas. I also have noticed that bucks antlers are getting darker.
I also think trail cameras is a big part pushing deer to be nocturnal. Now the cell cameras are helping keeping us out of the woods.
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Post by esshup on Feb 12, 2022 19:13:14 GMT -5
BUT when the rut is happening all bets are off, I am sure genetics takes a back seat to breeding, no matter what the age of the deer.
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Feb 12, 2022 21:17:40 GMT -5
BUT when the rut is happening all bets are off, I am sure genetics takes a back seat to breeding, no matter what the age of the deer. Not around my area. Maybe 2 or 3 times and that's it. They only come out in the most secure private area. I've seen bucks stay on just 5 acres for the whole rut. Buck woukd come back just before light. The does came to him. They adapted to us. |
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Post by steiny on Feb 13, 2022 11:04:07 GMT -5
The deer in my backyard and neighborhood in Indiana are far more spooky, cautious and nocturnal that they are in other states where I hunt lesser populated, more remote areas. Our line is "they act like normal deer" in these other locations, move around in daylight, etc.
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Post by freedomhunter on Feb 13, 2022 11:52:21 GMT -5
Once a buck hits 3 years in my rural area me or the other two hunters near me may see it one time in daylight. And we dont mess with them but they go almost completely nocturnal. I think they just dont get bothered at night as much by dogs, people and traffic and are really smart in these types of settings. I saw zero chasing last season
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Feb 13, 2022 14:00:36 GMT -5
I always heard bill winke say once deer got older, say 5 and above their home range shrinks, but they are out more in daylight as well. Now yes that was on his farm that didn’t have tons of pressure, but it did seem true there.
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Post by bill9068 on Feb 13, 2022 14:52:02 GMT -5
Had plenty of day time buck sightings at my hunting spots. If the does are there the bucks will be also.
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 14, 2022 0:34:13 GMT -5
It's off-season I know but to say deer are genetically passing genes to be nocturnal is making me laugh my ass off... Stop it...
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 14, 2022 7:37:27 GMT -5
Zero collared studies have ever indicated this is occurring. Nor have any of my observations ever....
WITHOUT HUMAN INTRUSION THAT IS.
Want to debunk this theory get permission to run cameras on that local vet's 50 acres he keeps hunters out and let me know?
Or that local park along the riverbottom that no one can legally hunt....
If deer have been trained to become utterly fearful of movement in the daylight this would transcend property lines....and it doesn't.
Shoot...one piece of property we have permission to hunt goes from deer everywhere to deer nowhere in daylight....we have bow permissions and then lose the place in firearms and now rarely get back on till the next bow season. The cameras have illustrated for years what human pressure put forth by hunting pressure, ignoring entrance and exit routes, wind and such do to a place and it happens FAST.
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 14, 2022 9:24:28 GMT -5
Zero collared studies have ever indicated this is occurring. Nor have any of my observations ever.... WITHOUT HUMAN INTRUSION THAT IS. Want to debunk this theory get permission to run cameras on that local vet's 50 acres he keeps hunters out and let me know? Or that local park along the riverbottom that no one can legally hunt.... If deer have been trained to become utterly fearful of movement in the daylight this would transcend property lines....and it doesn't. Shoot...one piece of property we have permission to hunt goes from deer everywhere to deer nowhere in daylight....we have bow permissions and then lose the place in firearms and now rarely get back on till the next bow season. The cameras have illustrated for years what human pressure put forth by hunting pressure, ignoring entrance and exit routes, wind and such do to a place and it happens FAST. You nailed it. |
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Post by stevein on Feb 14, 2022 19:46:34 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 14, 2022 20:04:09 GMT -5
From the Mississippi State university deer lab..
“ Does hunting pressure affect daylight adult buck food plot use?
Absolutely. Our data show it time and time again. These points are from two 3.5 year-old bucks during daylight hours of peak rut. Buck 277 lives on a property where hunters spend 15x more hours in the stand than 297’s property. More hunting pressure translates to 277 spending ¼ as much daylight in food plots than 297.
In contrast, notice the cluster of points in the patch of woods in the ag field on the south end of 277’s map. Over 30% of his locations are spent in that 3-acre chunk of woods. Smart way to avoid hunters.
So what’s the take-home message? Pressuring the same areas results in deer patterning you, and spending less time in the stand may actually result in MORE adult buck sightings.”
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Feb 14, 2022 20:04:29 GMT -5
I wonder if cell camera had a factor to this or good blogs like Terry and Don Higgins. |
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 15, 2022 8:38:47 GMT -5
I wonder if cell camera had a factor to this or good blogs like Terry and Don Higgins. Cell cameras should have opposite effect? Cell cameras keep hunters out of woods more as compared to regular trail cameras where hunter has to regularly go into area and remove cards. Pretty easy concept that more intrusion/ pressure on a property that deer will use less or move more at night. |
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