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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Feb 15, 2022 8:56:06 GMT -5
I wonder if cell camera had a factor to this or good blogs like Terry and Don Higgins. Cell cameras should have opposite effect? Cell cameras keep hunters out of woods more as compared to regular trail cameras where hunter has to regularly go into area and remove cards. Pretty easy concept that more intrusion/ pressure on a property that deer will use less or move more at night. I agree. This technology should help keeping us out of the woods and therefore make most of the woods deer security areas. I think a lot of hunters don't realize how much our intrusion into the woods affects deer behavior. I also think free blog sites from some of the best well known hunters have had a huge impact the last decade. Once again technology education and keeping out the deer homes.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 15, 2022 9:45:16 GMT -5
A good friend of mine and a very accomplished mature buck hunter told me the very best time to kill a mature buck was the very first time you sit a stand after that each sit further compromises the stand.
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Post by welder on Feb 15, 2022 10:06:20 GMT -5
A good friend of mine and a very accomplished mature buck hunter told me the very best time to kill a mature buck was the very first time you sit a stand after that each sit further compromises the stand. Absolutely!
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 15, 2022 10:22:26 GMT -5
I'd argue it depends more on the stand and the entrance/exit if that is true.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 15, 2022 10:51:48 GMT -5
I'd argue it depends more on the stand and the entrance/exit if that is true. Nope.. it doesn’t matter. It might lessen the compromising but every time we are in a stand compromises it more.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 15, 2022 10:56:13 GMT -5
I'd argue it depends more on the stand and the entrance/exit if that is true. Nope.. it doesn’t matter. It might lessen the compromising but every time we are in a stand compromises it more. Eh...I'd argue not nearly the amount many would assume seeing that. But again that is a RARE stand with bullet proof exit/entrance. I concur though, regardless of anything there is a story we leave behind for the deer to discover regardless which can and does impact - it may be almost non-measurable however.
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Feb 15, 2022 11:02:34 GMT -5
I'd argue it depends more on the stand and the entrance/exit if that is true. Nope.. it doesn’t matter. It might lessen the compromising but every time we are in a stand compromises it more. Yep, the have studies that just walking in very carefully and out is enough. I think part of the Purdue studies. This was my number one issue this year at my brothers place. I only had two stands to hunt. Over hunted big time those 6 days and then I had the wedding the next week which was prefect for a stand rest. Have no clue I would miss the next week and months. Next year I will have 4 stands and a better blinds. This Saturday I'll be putting the ladder stand in which will make #3 stand location. Going to build two pallet blinds and one nature blind. Need stand rest options.
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Post by esshup on Feb 15, 2022 17:12:01 GMT -5
Nope.. it doesn’t matter. It might lessen the compromising but every time we are in a stand compromises it more. Yep, the have studies that just walking in very carefully and out is enough. I think part of the Purdue studies. This was my number one issue this year at my brothers place. I only had two stands to hunt. Over hunted big time those 6 days and then I had the wedding the next week which was prefect for a stand rest. Have no clue I would miss the next week and months. Next year I will have 4 stands and a better blinds. This Saturday I'll be putting the ladder stand in which will make #3 stand location. Going to build two pallet blinds and one nature blind. Need stand rest options. That's even more reason to have a stand where you can sit in and watch what happens a few hundred or more yards away. You won't disturb them if you aren't close to them!!
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 15, 2022 20:03:45 GMT -5
I have 1 stand on farm I've killed 8 bucks out of over 125". Oak Ridge top funnel near bedding cover , that I can access from a drainage with prevailing SW/NW wind allows undetected access. (Killed this year's buck out of). During RUT not uncommon to see multiple bucks per set.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 15, 2022 20:23:11 GMT -5
Guess it comes down to what someone believes is a “mature deer”…..
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 15, 2022 21:05:37 GMT -5
Guess it comes down to what someone believes is a “mature deer”….. For me, 4.5 is what I consider mature. But yes it is subjective.
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Post by muscrat on Feb 15, 2022 21:44:32 GMT -5
Before I started using trail cameras I had no idea how many big deer were on the property I was hunting, I didn’t realize just how elusive big mature deer really are. It changed my mindset and the way I hunt.
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Post by Huntnfreak on Feb 15, 2022 23:22:31 GMT -5
😂😂
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Post by steiny on Feb 16, 2022 10:16:19 GMT -5
Even if you rappelled into your stand via an invisible silent helicopter and left no foot traffic in / out, you are still stinking up the area with your scent while there. The more you are there, the more you will stink it up, and at some point the smart deer are going to become wary of that area.
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Feb 16, 2022 10:43:05 GMT -5
I learned a few years ago mature bucks once disturbed by your presents may not every come back and or it may take a year or two. Even during the rut. I seen this across the street were I hunt. I can't hunt it year after year. I can see the ridge across from my stand. By season end the deer only use that side of the ridge. If I hunt the next year, it only takes one or two times and the deer are back on the other ridge. I've change to only hunt that stand every other year. Last year was my year, but it didn't work out, so this year should be extra good. I tried to hunt the other side in the past, but getting there, I had to walk down stand side, cross the creek and go up that ridge. This contaminates both sides.
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 16, 2022 11:33:00 GMT -5
Even if you rappelled into your stand via an invisible silent helicopter and left no foot traffic in / out, you are still stinking up the area with your scent while there. The more you are there, the more you will stink it up, and at some point the smart deer are going to become wary of that area. Every time you step in the woods you are educating local deer. I changed my buck hunting strategies years ago after reading a book by Barry and Gene Wensel (Hunting Rutting whitetails) Instead of hunting near a bucks bedding area I changed to hunting travel corridors and funnel areas almost exclusively during pre rut and rut. (These are pass through areas that bucks use when going from one doe bedding area to next, so not areas bucks spend a lot of time in.) Has been a game changer for me and my success harvesting older age classes of bucks. On occasion late season I may hunt a food source , but during pre rut and breeding I am hunting travel corridors. IF you find a good one it will be used year in and year out by bucks.
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Feb 16, 2022 12:30:55 GMT -5
Just this last year or so I'm not hunting the woods like I used to. No more having stands deep in the woods. Now all stands will be just inside woods line. Maybe 30 yards in at most. Now I have one stand to move about 35 yards and that will put me about 25 yards into the woods. Field to wood lines are good travel places. Now if I can get my brother on board, then we both will be out of the main woods and stands around the edges. Working on better plans getting in and out with minimal contamination area.
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Post by freedomhunter on Feb 16, 2022 17:51:14 GMT -5
The valley travel routes can be a go for broke thing. Bucks use them because the wind swirls and they can smell everything around including you if your in the wrong spot
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 17, 2022 8:27:25 GMT -5
The valley travel routes can be a go for broke thing. Bucks use them because the wind swirls and they can smell everything around including you if your in the wrong spot Creek drainages are travel hwys for deer but yes they can be tricky to hunt. I look for where those trails come out of bottoms up to ridgetops for a stand location. ALSO more often that not, mature bucks will tend to not use Ridge top trails but lessor trails off to side off Ridge top on side of hill, another great stand location site.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 17, 2022 9:12:03 GMT -5
Spots such as those are why I love big wind days. The bigger the wind the more consistent nearly every time, and in places where wind can get trapped unless forced through a certain way those big winds are a must.
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