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Post by boonechaser on Feb 1, 2022 13:00:29 GMT -5
Early velvet hunts in August…. That’s interesting. Bet it won’t be with a Gun… just saying! Last thing INDIANA needs is more/longer seasons. (That's my opinion and I stated that in comments) I agree with Greg "IF" they have a early Velvet season it will be archery/crossbow. Don't get the velvet thing at all??
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Post by greghopper on Feb 1, 2022 13:04:28 GMT -5
Bet it won’t be with a Gun… just saying! Last thing INDIANA needs is more/longer seasons. (That's my opinion and I stated that in comments) I agree with Greg "IF" they have a early Velvet season it will be archery/crossbow. Don't get the velvet thing at all?? It’s a Kentucky thing …IMO
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Feb 1, 2022 13:15:08 GMT -5
Last thing INDIANA needs is more/longer seasons. (That's my opinion and I stated that in comments) I agree with Greg "IF" they have a early Velvet season it will be archery/crossbow. Don't get the velvet thing at all?? It’s a Kentucky thing …IMO And out west, Carolina’s, Florida, and I’m sure more than that.
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Post by sculver7 on Feb 1, 2022 13:41:34 GMT -5
I am totally against a velvet season. Filled my form out yesterday. If they were introduce a velvet season, the first year they did, there would be a record number of mature bucks harvested, IMO. Thinking back over the years of hunting and scouting, the deer at that time of year are too easy to locate and pinpoint and therefore, I think they would be considerably easier to kill.
I did also have a strong opinion on the question about trying to attract out-of-state hunters... Maybe I'm just salty because I live 45 minutes from chicago... but there are SOOOOO many of a certain license plate flooding public land areas around here.
These are all just my opinions and I could be totally wrong. LOL
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Feb 1, 2022 14:03:56 GMT -5
I let the DNR know on every survey I complete that I would love an August or September archery season.
Sure, bucks can be patterned more easily early season, but shucks.. We hunt them during the rut with HPRs! If you can't kill one then, you probably aren't going to get one with a primitive weapon during August or September. The only harvest increase I would expect would be potentially from nonresidents coming here for a velvet hunt.
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Post by omegahunter on Feb 1, 2022 14:33:30 GMT -5
Filled out again.
I say again, because I have already answered most of these questions in a prior survey when I checked in my deer.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 2, 2022 11:46:21 GMT -5
Got it all filled out and submitted
Hopefully the DNR will listen to the Indiana deer hunters and not the political winds ablowing.
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Post by stevein on Feb 2, 2022 12:04:10 GMT -5
The survey reminds me of one of the mental test we had to take during the adoption process but much shorter. Ask the same questions just worded different.
They seem to be using confused hunters for some of the changes. I told in my experience as a CNC programmer and process writer most of the problems were due to operators NOT reading and following instructions.
The bundle license proposed changes make no sense to me. If someone can't understand 1 buck is allowed with 3 deer total or 3 anterless total how are they going to understand the new 3 does only? With the new proposal to hunt the seasons you would need the bundle license AND 3 or for buck tags. OH I see now why the change! A good part of the confusion is when a guy checks in at a F&W area they have a poorly worded notice posted that your bundle license is not acceptable there. What they meant was you could not fill out a doe as a bonus county tag.
I noticed they did not use the term antlerless instead calling them does. That was curious to me, why?
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 2, 2022 14:45:58 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that when the Bundle first came out it was a buck and 2 antlerless. In order to help lower herd numbers it was changed to where you could kill three antlerless on the Bundle. Maybe that is not needed now and they are changing in back?
I was absolutely against state trophy management. Leave that to individuals.
Yes on getting rid of the crossbow license and have it fall under the archery tag.
Told them to use this real deer hunter input in making decisions and leave the biased deer hunter groups out of it.
I told them that the statewide limit of six deer was an answer to something that is not really a problem.
The buck only for the individual license seems to me a way to get more dollars and has not a whole lot to do with deer management.
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Post by saddlemaster on Feb 2, 2022 20:23:44 GMT -5
Just submitted mine.
No on trophy management. One buck rule is good enough.
No on August velvet hunt. August and September is squirrel season.
Yes on 6 deer stateside limit.
Yes on combining crossbow with archery license.
I have a lifetime license so all of the licensing questions don't really apply. But I did answer for what I thought would make it easier.
I do wish they could or would respond to EHD quicker. When we got hit with EHD in the summer of 2019 they should have adjusted the doe harvest immediately for that season. Unfortunately it didn't happen until this past season.
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Post by esshup on Feb 2, 2022 23:59:42 GMT -5
Just submitted mine. No on trophy management. One buck rule is good enough. No on August velvet hunt. August and September is squirrel season. Yes on 6 deer stateside limit. Yes on combining crossbow with archery license. I have a lifetime license so all of the licensing questions don't really apply. But I did answer for what I thought would make it easier. I do wish they could or would respond to EHD quicker. When we got hit with EHD in the summer of 2019 they should have adjusted the doe harvest immediately for that season. Unfortunately it didn't happen until this past season. That's why I put no on the 6 deer statewide limit. I think the habitat is so different between the different areas of the state that to properly manage the deer population a county by county management plan allows more flexibility. No EHD here here ever.
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 3, 2022 8:10:17 GMT -5
Just submitted mine. No on trophy management. One buck rule is good enough. No on August velvet hunt. August and September is squirrel season. Yes on 6 deer stateside limit. Yes on combining crossbow with archery license. I have a lifetime license so all of the licensing questions don't really apply. But I did answer for what I thought would make it easier. I do wish they could or would respond to EHD quicker. When we got hit with EHD in the summer of 2019 they should have adjusted the doe harvest immediately for that season. Unfortunately it didn't happen until this past season. That's why I put no on the 6 deer statewide limit. I think the habitat is so different between the different areas of the state that to properly manage the deer population a county by county management plan allows more flexibility. No EHD here here ever. Think you are misunderstanding? My understanding is there will still be a county antlerless limit. The proposed 6 antlerless limit is to prevent hunters from going from county to county and killing county limit. 6 is a total state limit.
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Post by esshup on Feb 3, 2022 10:43:21 GMT -5
Yep, I am misunderstanding. I am assuming that is different from the deer reduction zones then.
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Post by firstwd on Feb 3, 2022 11:26:32 GMT -5
Yep, I am misunderstanding. I am assuming that is different from the deer reduction zones then. Yes, separate. Basically maybe 20 people in the state take more than 6 antlerless deer per year and it's their argument that a 6 limit will effect very few hunters. My issue with the idea is it is a very limited issue now and introducing a limit beyond the county quota would make it way to easy to highly restrict that limit in the future.
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 3, 2022 12:43:53 GMT -5
Yep, I am misunderstanding. I am assuming that is different from the deer reduction zones then. The new rule would apply to bonus antlerless limits only. (Reduction zones, refuge and park hunts do not count to bonus antlerless limits)Limits. Some groups have claimed county jumping to kill antlerless is a problem but the statistics say it is not. Reality is it would have minimal impact.
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Post by titanium700 on Feb 3, 2022 12:51:39 GMT -5
I suggested a limit of 4 per person not 6 Buuuutt. Until the population gets back up, maybe go to a doe permit draw like old days. ?
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Feb 3, 2022 14:18:17 GMT -5
I suggested a limit of 4 per person not 6 Buuuutt. Until the population gets back up, maybe go to a doe permit draw like old days. ? Is the population down? Or is it that it’s at a good sustainable level, but now too many people complain because they don’t see 15 deer a sit.
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 3, 2022 14:32:31 GMT -5
I suggested a limit of 4 per person not 6 Buuuutt. Until the population gets back up, maybe go to a doe permit draw like old days. ? Is the population down? Or is it that it’s at a good sustainable level, but now too many people complain because they don’t see 15 deer a sit. I do not think we will see population levels of late 90's and 2000's ever again. (Honestly, we had to many deer.) Last 10 years my hunting overall has been better. Less deer but quality and health are better.
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Post by firstwd on Feb 3, 2022 14:44:22 GMT -5
Is the population down? Or is it that it’s at a good sustainable level, but now too many people complain because they don’t see 15 deer a sit. I do not think we will see population levels of late 90's and 2000's ever again. (Honestly, we had to many deer.) Last 10 years my hunting overall has been better. Less deer but quality and health are better. Decatur County has just a tick over 20 miles of interstate 74 running through it. Back in the late 90s/early 2000s you could drive those miles and average at least 1 road kill deer per mile. Yes, we had too many deer.
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Post by esshup on Feb 3, 2022 14:47:12 GMT -5
I have not seen buck quality increase vs 10 years ago. In fact the number of adult deer (bucks) that I am seeing has diminished greatly. Maybe more poaching? I definitely shot a buck during ML season about 4 years ago that was shot thru the front knee with a .223. I heard the shot and about 20 minutes it came limping by. .22 sized hole in and out. I'm thinking .223 FMJ.
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