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Post by MuzzleLoader on Jan 9, 2022 11:11:03 GMT -5
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Post by michaelc on Jan 9, 2022 11:35:39 GMT -5
Honestly, that's true IMO. Fair chasing comes down to putting boot to ground and scouting for and following tracks, droppings, rubs and scraps. Hunting in general, has become way more advanced than in the old days with all the technology that is available to us.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 9, 2022 11:39:12 GMT -5
The newest technology has differently changed the way many hunt and are successful in doing so.
You can’t kill what’s not there also….these cameras/technology save deer as well as killing them!
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Post by budd on Jan 9, 2022 11:47:35 GMT -5
Honestly I feel if it's legal in the state one hunts, then B&C should recognize it. Like to baiting debate, some say it's unethical to hunt deer over bait, but no issue hunting bear or hogs over bait. Same with hunting over dogs.
Not arguing either way, just my thoughts. If its legal and you wish to, have at it.
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 9, 2022 12:02:29 GMT -5
100% agree. At some point it's becomes just killing and not hunting.
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Post by jjas on Jan 9, 2022 12:07:58 GMT -5
I have no issues with cellular game cameras being used before and after the season, but during the season I don't think they should be allowed as I feel they violate the spirit of fair chase.
And while Boone & Crocket (and I believe Pope & Young) don't allow trophies taken with the use of this technology, they are legal in the state of Indiana so I'm pretty confident that their use will continue to grow.
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Post by Huntnfreak on Jan 9, 2022 12:30:29 GMT -5
It’s becoming a slippery slope these days. Ban fish finders for all recreational fishing and fishing tournaments then!!
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Post by duff on Jan 9, 2022 13:21:49 GMT -5
I could care less what a trophy club runs their rules. If you don't like them find a club who you agree with.
Now if Indiana proposes something silly...ugh. it matches the idea of regulating flash lights.
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Post by steiny on Jan 9, 2022 13:31:19 GMT -5
I like the B&C rules, and we could stand to toughen up our sports a bit and make them more "sporting". Saw where Utah just outlawed trail cams during hunting season.
Technology is certainly now making hunting and fishing much easier and the fish and game resources are not in endless supply. Look at the edge a cell trail cam can give a guy when properly used, or the new Livescope fish finders or Aqua view cameras.
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Post by firstwd on Jan 9, 2022 15:50:55 GMT -5
Kinda tosses the idea that baiting is illegal because they don't want the guy with the biggest wallet an unfair advantage out the window.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Jan 9, 2022 16:25:39 GMT -5
It’s becoming a slippery slope these days. Ban fish finders for all recreational fishing and fishing tournaments then!! I'd be ok with that. |
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 9, 2022 16:48:27 GMT -5
It’s becoming a slippery slope these days. Ban fish finders for all recreational fishing and fishing tournaments then!! Fishing is catch and release. Hunting is 1 and done. Not even close comparison. |
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Post by Huntnfreak on Jan 9, 2022 17:01:25 GMT -5
It’s becoming a slippery slope these days. Ban fish finders for all recreational fishing and fishing tournaments then!! Fishing is catch and release. Hunting is 1 and done. Not even close comparison. Not everyone catches and releases same as not everyone kills deer aided by trail cameras. The use of electronic devices to gain an advantage is just that....an advantage no matter what way you slice it. |
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 9, 2022 17:24:39 GMT -5
Fishing is catch and release. Hunting is 1 and done. Not even close comparison. Not everyone catches and releases same as not everyone kills deer aided by trail cameras. The use of electronic devices to gain an advantage is just that....an advantage no matter what way you slice it. Apples and Oranges for a whole plethora of reasons. Personally never used a fish finder nor a cellular trail camera. |
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Post by duff on Jan 9, 2022 17:40:53 GMT -5
What hasnt been improved over the years to make us more efficient? I don't care what you use to hunt so long as it is within the rules. Why do we need new feel good rules?
It isn't like guys are hooked into a remote shooting. They still have to be out there hunting.
If we talk about making things too easy who decides what is too easy?
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Post by js2397 on Jan 9, 2022 19:00:54 GMT -5
Those devices will still be used and big bucks will still be killed by hunters who use them. B&C will probably change their rules as soon as the next world record is killed using one of these banned devices. Otherwise a different record keeping organization will take their place. Hard to claim to be the premier record book when the largest wild/hunter killed animals aren't part of your records.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 9, 2022 19:15:55 GMT -5
Their contest, their rules.
I would not put any critter in any of the books unless it was a big money maker for me.
Unfortunately some of these organizations like to impose some silly rules and some states follow suit.
One such rule was the P and Y saying any animal taken with the use of lighted nocks were illegal for their book. Several states (mostly out west) followed suit. Never mind that lighted nocks could help a hunter see where the animal was hit and was an aid in recovery. Same situation with over 65% let off compound bows. They have since went back on both of those “contest rules”.
On the flip side of that killing a critter over bait was ok by both P and Y and B and C.. Or critters chased and treed by dogs.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 9, 2022 19:21:12 GMT -5
Those devices will still be used and big bucks will still be killed by hunters who use them. B&C will probably change their rules as soon as the next world record is killed using one of these banned devices. Otherwise a different record keeping organization will take their place. Hard to claim to be the premier record book when the largest wild/hunter killed animals aren't part of your records. Yep.. P and Y changed their 65% compound let off rule when it became apparent that the bulk of the bowhunters shot and hunted with 85% let off compound bows. They were losing out on a lot of entries and money. |
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Post by buckert on Jan 9, 2022 19:45:06 GMT -5
I didn’t see any discussion on the “GPS based technology” part in the article to entirely understand the concern. I guess its super helpful with public land scouting and note taking but not as important on private land where harvesting record level bucks is more realistic.
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Post by firstwd on Jan 9, 2022 20:36:46 GMT -5
I didn’t see any discussion on the “GPS based technology” part in the article to entirely understand the concern. I guess its super helpful with public land scouting and note taking but not as important on private land where harvesting record level bucks is more realistic. Does that include things like huntstand or On-X? Those have GPS capabilities but also keep people from being lost or illegally on the incorrect properties. Heck, plain old smart phones have GPS capabilities. |
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