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Post by omegahunter on Dec 2, 2021 8:52:40 GMT -5
tynimiller I went back and looked @ the harvest numbers for the last 3 muzzleloader seasons and it's really not out of hand IMO. 2018/19 Antlered 2,247 Antlerless 5,918 Total 8,165. 2019/20 Antlered 2,809 Antlerless 7,374 Total 10,183. 2020/21 Antlered 2,672 Antlerless 6,608 Total 9,280. You could add the NitroFire and also not see a big change! IMO Still just a ONE shot device same as modern muzzleloader. So is any single shot high-powered rifle, except is is completely breech-loaded and not just half. |
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Post by jjas on Dec 2, 2021 9:05:21 GMT -5
You could add the NitroFire and also not see a big change! IMO Still just a ONE shot device same as modern muzzleloader. So is any single shot high-powered rifle, except is is completely breech-loaded and not just half. In the end, you have to load the bullet from the muzzle, so it's not like it's going to be anywhere near as fast as a single shot rifle would be to reload. Not even close. The upside in my mind for the Nitrofire is that you can remove the powder and primer and make the gun safe without having to either fire it off or push the pellets and bullet out. I personally think it's a very clever idea. Will Indiana eventually approve it? I think so, but if I'm wrong and they don't and it eventually disappears from the market I guess that's the way it goes. |
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Post by deadeer on Dec 2, 2021 9:42:13 GMT -5
So is any single shot high-powered rifle, except is is completely breech-loaded and not just half. In the end, you have to load the bullet from the muzzle, so it's not like it's going to be anywhere near as fast as a single shot rifle would be to reload. Not even close. The upside in my mind for the Nitrofire is that you can remove the powder and primer and make the gun safe without having to either fire it off or push the pellets and bullet out. I personally think it's a very clever idea. Will Indiana eventually approve it? I think so, but if I'm wrong and they don't and it eventually disappears from the market I guess that's the way it goes. I dont see it offering any advantage over a conventional mz in terms of harvesting a deer. So I bet it gets added sooner than later. Its just another advancement in technology to help against foul weather and safety. NOTHING will ever beat a high performance smokeless mz for accuracy and power. Since they are legal, AND the deer herd hasnt been decimated yet, shows once again it is just another option in the hunters bag of tools to use. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 2, 2021 9:56:49 GMT -5
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Post by sculver7 on Dec 2, 2021 10:28:35 GMT -5
I want nothing to do with any of this. Who is gona pay for this? Who is gona administer the program? Where are the sights to qualify gona be at. How long before‽ season can you qualify? Can you imagen 100,000 guys trying to qualify each year some with 3 different weapons and paying for each session? What would happen to nonresident hunters? I think they would become nonexistent. Not that that would be a bad thing but the INDR would loose all the income from license and local economies would loose the income from their influx not to mention all the hunting guide/lodge business. Who is gona decide just what is exceptable/proficient. I know i can not shoot as good as i use to(age ,eyes,physical limations. What if i want to use a 243 for long range field gun and a 47/70 in the thick woods for bigger hole better blood tracking? What are you gona do with youth hunting?is there standard lowered? If not why are they held to the same standard as an adult? To me the people that go to the woods and are not proficient with their weapon of choice has more to do with ethics and the lack of respect for the animal and the taking of a life. Even with an efficiency test you are STILL gona have idiots in the woods taking shots that no one should take. Old saying (you can not fix stupid) and you can not legislate idiots out of a bad situation. I also do not want more government involvement. They just screw up every thing. I think the only way to fix the problem would to be that a Wounded animal counts agenst your bag limit but that would only hurt the honest hunter. SSS comes to mind. The only plus to that is you would not have as much (i stuck one last night but could not fund it) a statement i despise and will let anyone know that uses it in my presents. Boy i could go on and on,but you get the picture. These are my opinions I'll shut up now and read. Onebentarrow I see your point, but they do this with drivers licenses. Maybe not every year but they do this in the beginning. It really wouldn't be that hard. Have the test at all of the state shooting ranges, don't most of them have rifle/pistol and archery ranges? The only difficult one would be the skeet range, but there are a number of privately owned ones up here and I imagine there would be others all over the state. With all the stupid stuff that people post on social media, how many people post that they shot one but didn't recover it? (I don't know because other than forums like this I'm not on social media). The more one practices, the better they are, so when it comes time to take the test everybody should pass with flying colors. All hunters don't leave the guns in the closet until hunting season. There are many ways to practice and not burn up expensive ammo. An accurate .22 rimfire or accurate pellet gun will allow a person to practice a LOT for relatively few $$. What it all really boils down to is personal responsiblity, which sadly is a lost character trait for the vast majority of the human race, not just in hunting, but in all aspects of life. With the right opportunity, most people will do crooked things. |
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Post by deadeer on Dec 2, 2021 10:34:32 GMT -5
I see your point, but they do this with drivers licenses. Maybe not every year but they do this in the beginning. It really wouldn't be that hard. Have the test at all of the state shooting ranges, don't most of them have rifle/pistol and archery ranges? The only difficult one would be the skeet range, but there are a number of privately owned ones up here and I imagine there would be others all over the state. With all the stupid stuff that people post on social media, how many people post that they shot one but didn't recover it? (I don't know because other than forums like this I'm not on social media). The more one practices, the better they are, so when it comes time to take the test everybody should pass with flying colors. All hunters don't leave the guns in the closet until hunting season. There are many ways to practice and not burn up expensive ammo. An accurate .22 rimfire or accurate pellet gun will allow a person to practice a LOT for relatively few $$. What it all really boils down to is personal responsiblity, which sadly is a lost character trait for the vast majority of the human race, not just in hunting, but in all aspects of life. With the right opportunity, most people will do crooked things. I dont agree with the last line. Replace MOST with SOME, and everything you said would be spot on. |
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Post by jman46151 on Dec 2, 2021 10:56:23 GMT -5
Hammer meets Nail...... One's definition/standard of proficient can very largely! Hunters have been making bad shots forever this isn't something that started when crossbows & Rifles came legal...It's just now highlighted by social media IMO From a rest, with a rifle, 3" groups at 100 yards is what I would be comfortable seeing set as a goal by the state. When I say rest, I am talking about a set of shooting sticks, leaning your hand on a tree holding the rifle, etc. If the rifle was supported front and back as in from a shooting bench, 2" at 100 yds would be maximum group size allowed. Muzzleloader? 3" @ 100 yds. Same for a slug gun shooting sabots. For a smooth bore shotgun shooting rifled slugs, 3" at 50 yds. Archery equipment? 4" at 20 yds. Pistol? Same as Archery. Those are at stationary targets. For a moving target, IF that were to be in the test requirement, (why shoot at a moving target in the first place?) I'd love to see in the kill zone at 40 yds for a rifle, slug gun and muzzleloader. Archery and pistol, in the kill zone at 15 yds. For bird hunters, you'd have to score a minimum of 13 on a regulation skeet field out of 25 to be qualified. That's what I'd love to see for John Q. Public. My personal standard of proficiency is much higher than that. For the CHAP hunt I participate in the proficiency test is 3 hits in a 4" circle at 50 yards. That is with any firearm. I had a guy in my session that couldn't pass. If you can't do that you need a better weapon or more practice. |
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Post by onebentarrow on Dec 2, 2021 12:23:38 GMT -5
Woody I read what you posted 3 times and to me it reads like you are saying i can take 2 bucks in indiana. I know that is not what you intended. Am i correct in thinking that you meant we can take just one buck but with any of the weapons in the proper season designated for their use. If i am wrong please delete this post Onebentarrow He was explaining rules from Illinois not here in indiana. Ok thank you. I never made the connection.my bad. Onebentarrow |
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Post by onebentarrow on Dec 2, 2021 12:23:58 GMT -5
Double post
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Post by greghopper on Dec 2, 2021 13:59:34 GMT -5
In the end, you have to load the bullet from the muzzle, so it's not like it's going to be anywhere near as fast as a single shot rifle would be to reload. Not even close. The upside in my mind for the Nitrofire is that you can remove the powder and primer and make the gun safe without having to either fire it off or push the pellets and bullet out. I personally think it's a very clever idea. Will Indiana eventually approve it? I think so, but if I'm wrong and they don't and it eventually disappears from the market I guess that's the way it goes. I dont see it offering any advantage over a conventional mz in terms of harvesting a deer. So I bet it gets added sooner than later. Its just another advancement in technology to help against foul weather and safety. NOTHING will ever beat a high performance smokeless mz for accuracy and power. Since they are legal, AND the deer herd hasnt been decimated yet, shows once again it is just another option in the hunters bag of tools to use. Exactly..... I knew most understood the concept! Funny part is when using NitroFire in gun season the harvest is checked in as Muzzleloader kill! |
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Post by jjas on Dec 2, 2021 14:54:16 GMT -5
greghopper
I'm not really surprised...
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Post by span870 on Dec 2, 2021 16:49:31 GMT -5
So is any single shot high-powered rifle, except is is completely breech-loaded and not just half. In the end, you have to load the bullet from the muzzle, so it's not like it's going to be anywhere near as fast as a single shot rifle would be to reload. Not even close. The upside in my mind for the Nitrofire is that you can remove the powder and primer and make the gun safe without having to either fire it off or push the pellets and bullet out. I personally think it's a very clever idea. Will Indiana eventually approve it? I think so, but if I'm wrong and they don't and it eventually disappears from the market I guess that's the way it goes. Could care if it passes or not but with modern inlines just take the primer or cap off for the same results. |
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Post by sculver7 on Dec 2, 2021 16:52:53 GMT -5
What it all really boils down to is personal responsiblity, which sadly is a lost character trait for the vast majority of the human race, not just in hunting, but in all aspects of life. With the right opportunity, most people will do crooked things. I dont agree with the last line. Replace MOST with SOME, and everything you said would be spot on. I used to think it was some... Unfortunately, I still believe it to be most. Very cynical of me, I know. I hope you are correct, though. We need peopel of integrity now more than ever. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 3, 2021 9:30:31 GMT -5
I've not read all the posts, sorry with 3 kids I just don't bave that kind of time. As for going to a season that looks lime Illinois', in my opinion, if we go to that model I want the ability to double dip and shoot one buck in bow season and one in either gun or muzzle loader season. However, I would rather just keep things as they are. Actually you can kill one buck with a slug gun or handgun AND with a muzzloader - even on the same day/sit. OR - one with a slug gun or muzzleloader and a bow/crossbow OR - two with a bow/crossbow Our state is doing just fine in growing very nice bucks.. We are placed #2 in hunter killed typical and non-typical bucks. Clarification - What I posted is the buck limit laws in Illinois, not Indiana. Some folks like to cherry pick other states laws BUT just the parts that they like. Sorry for the confusion… |
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Post by titanium700 on Dec 3, 2021 9:39:23 GMT -5
esshup I can't imagine that ever passing in any state. Oh my goodness!!!! NO!!!!! That’s a terrible idea. Good grief. I know guys that shoot on paper great but put a critter in front of them and they lose it. As a matter of fact a real good friend of mine is an awesome archery shot. He can outshoot me any day at any time. He practices all year, but man put a big buck in front of him and he falls apart like a dry slice of cake. He shoots over them under them makes a bad hit…you name it. No way I see this working, he would ace the test and still faulter in the woods. Nope won’t support it. |
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