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Post by jjas on Oct 27, 2021 16:17:27 GMT -5
Now there are reports of the crew using the gun for plinking that morning. The report I heard on the radio said there were over 500 live rounds on the set (location?). I had heard that... absolutely no excuse for that. The guns being used should be under the control of the prop master or armorer or whatever they call them at ALL times. They should also be the only one handing the guns to the actors with the declaration of "hot or cold" .. After the scene they should take back control of them. VERY lackadaisical. Hence the reason that the armorer and the assistant director are the people most likely to face criminal charges. I've said all along that the armorer/gun wrangler/prop master who is in charge of the firearms has the ultimate responsibility for the firearms/ammo on set. IMO, the real questions still are, why didn't the armorer check the gun and why did the assistant director hand Baldwin the revolver (instead of the armorer) without checking the loads in the revolver himself? I can't imagine that Baldwin would face criminal charges unless he pointed the revolver somewhere other than where he was supposed to when he pulled the trigger. Baldwin will likely face civil charges based on the fact that he apparently is an executive producer for the film.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 27, 2021 16:34:35 GMT -5
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Post by duff on Oct 27, 2021 17:10:24 GMT -5
Watched the report by the sheriff and prosecutor. There were a ton of questions about target practice and the sheriff didn't let on that he knew about it. Requested that anyone who may have info to come forward. It keeps unfolding for sure.
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Post by HuntMeister on Oct 27, 2021 17:50:57 GMT -5
So many errors by so many people, just unbelievable.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Oct 27, 2021 18:39:55 GMT -5
I had heard that... absolutely no excuse for that. The guns being used should be under the control of the prop master or armorer or whatever they call them at ALL times. They should also be the only one handing the guns to the actors with the declaration of "hot or cold" .. After the scene they should take back control of them. VERY lackadaisical. Hence the reason that the armorer and the assistant director are the people most likely to face criminal charges. I've said all along that the armorer/gun wrangler/prop master who is in charge of the firearms has the ultimate responsibility for the firearms/ammo on set. IMO, the real questions still are, why didn't the armorer check the gun and why did the assistant director hand Baldwin the revolver (instead of the armorer) without checking the loads in the revolver himself? I can't imagine that Baldwin would face criminal charges unless he pointed the revolver somewhere other than where he was supposed to when he pulled the trigger. Baldwin will likely face civil charges based on the fact that he apparently is an executive producer for the film. If Baldwin was in charge of the set as producer (boss), and allowed that lackadaisical/unsafe environment to exist, and hired the obviously inept armorer, then I think he should be held responsible alongside the support people. I wonder what the media would be saying if this were an outspoken conservative in this position
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 27, 2021 18:41:43 GMT -5
So many errors by so many people, just unbelievable. Yep. In any negligent act, such as this, if just one aspect of it is changed this would not have happened. So many mistakes added up and the fatality happened.
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Post by jjas on Oct 27, 2021 19:14:46 GMT -5
Hence the reason that the armorer and the assistant director are the people most likely to face criminal charges. I've said all along that the armorer/gun wrangler/prop master who is in charge of the firearms has the ultimate responsibility for the firearms/ammo on set. IMO, the real questions still are, why didn't the armorer check the gun and why did the assistant director hand Baldwin the revolver (instead of the armorer) without checking the loads in the revolver himself? I can't imagine that Baldwin would face criminal charges unless he pointed the revolver somewhere other than where he was supposed to when he pulled the trigger. Baldwin will likely face civil charges based on the fact that he apparently is an executive producer for the film. If Baldwin was in charge of the set as producer (boss), and allowed that lackadaisical/unsafe environment to exist, and hired the obviously inept armorer, then I think he should be held responsible alongside the support people. I wonder what the media would be saying if this were an outspoken conservative in this position I think from a civil standpoint Baldwin is in trouble but I just don't see him being charged with a criminal offense in the shooting death and injury on that set. Am I right? Time will tell.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 27, 2021 19:24:34 GMT -5
If Baldwin was in charge of the set as producer (boss), and allowed that lackadaisical/unsafe environment to exist, and hired the obviously inept armorer, then I think he should be held responsible alongside the support people. I wonder what the media would be saying if this were an outspoken conservative in this position I think from a civil standpoint Baldwin is in trouble but I just don't see him being charged with a criminal offense in the shooting death and injury on that set. Am I right? Time will tell. You’re right.. The DA is a died in the wool Democrat.
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Oct 28, 2021 6:18:35 GMT -5
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Post by jjas on Oct 28, 2021 6:54:33 GMT -5
I get that Alec Baldwin is about as popular as Nancy Pelosi on this forum, but cold blooded murder? The very definition of murder is as follows: The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. I don't know what charge the DA in the area this occurred will file, but finding proof of premeditation would just surprise the h*ll out of me.
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Oct 28, 2021 7:17:37 GMT -5
I get that Alec Baldwin is about as popular as Nancy Pelosi on this forum, but cold blooded murder? The very definition of murder is as follows: The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. I don't know what charge the DA in the area this occurred will file, but finding proof of premeditation would just surprise the h*ll out of me. This might be a Paul Harvey story. Now the rest of the story! I think it was premeditated and planned to make it look like an accident as reported. Note reported.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 28, 2021 7:26:19 GMT -5
I get that Alec Baldwin is about as popular as Nancy Pelosi on this forum, but cold blooded murder? The very definition of murder is as follows: The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. I don't know what charge the DA in the area this occurred will file, but finding proof of premeditation would just surprise the h*ll out of me. You have to understand where the story/Link is coming from.....Now the rest of the story! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gateway_Pundit
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Oct 28, 2021 7:34:17 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Oct 28, 2021 7:42:45 GMT -5
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Post by duff on Oct 28, 2021 9:25:25 GMT -5
Hence the reason that the armorer and the assistant director are the people most likely to face criminal charges. I've said all along that the armorer/gun wrangler/prop master who is in charge of the firearms has the ultimate responsibility for the firearms/ammo on set. IMO, the real questions still are, why didn't the armorer check the gun and why did the assistant director hand Baldwin the revolver (instead of the armorer) without checking the loads in the revolver himself? I can't imagine that Baldwin would face criminal charges unless he pointed the revolver somewhere other than where he was supposed to when he pulled the trigger. Baldwin will likely face civil charges based on the fact that he apparently is an executive producer for the film. If Baldwin was in charge of the set as producer (boss), and allowed that lackadaisical/unsafe environment to exist, and hired the obviously inept armorer, then I think he should be held responsible alongside the support people. I wonder what the media would be saying if this were an outspoken conservative in this position I am not sure how movie making industry runs but likely they will hit the corporation who is paying Baldwin. Now if he ignored orders, warnings or allowed sketchy activities to take place then yes he is very liable for actions legal or otherwise. Sloppy practice like this is not a 1 off symptom. The investigation will bring up a ton of issues. There will be the legal reviews to hold either a company or individuals responsible. Company will then decide how to manage their responsible employees. Fired, demoted, no action etc...unfortunately witnessed this a few times in my career.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 17, 2021 19:40:48 GMT -5
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Post by jjas on Nov 17, 2021 19:53:38 GMT -5
I would imagine the lawyers will make a bundle.
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Nov 17, 2021 21:34:04 GMT -5
I heard on WLW 700 radio that no prop gun was needed on previous or next scene.
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