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Post by jjas on Oct 11, 2021 17:50:59 GMT -5
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Post by titanium700 on Oct 11, 2021 18:02:21 GMT -5
That’s when I prefer to kill em.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Oct 11, 2021 18:11:25 GMT -5
I kill one anytime I get a chance and need to. Heck, get a hot doe around and drop her, that’s fresh legal bait just laying there.
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Post by HuntMeister on Oct 11, 2021 19:02:16 GMT -5
Heck, get a hot doe around and drop her, that’s fresh legal bait just laying there. I can attest that this can work. One time my dad & I were in the woods for a morning hunt first week of November. A doe came in mid morning right under his tree and he shot her with his crossbow, pinned her right there and she expired very quickly. Dad thought about getting down to take care of the doe but decided to stay put for awhile, it was cold so no big hurry, let's see if anything happens he said. Sure enough about an hour later he saw a nice 8pt off in the distance heading his direction with his nose down trailing that doe dad shot. He said the buck walked right up to the doe and looked at her for a few seconds then started aggressively poking her with his antlers trying to get her up on her feet all the while never noticing dad directly above him. Dad said the show lasted for about 10 minutes until the buck decided that she was not going to get up and started to move away. Dad put a bolt through the buck's vitals and we had a short blood trail to him.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Oct 11, 2021 20:25:51 GMT -5
Heck, get a hot doe around and drop her, that’s fresh legal bait just laying there. I can attest that this can work. One time my dad & I were in the woods for a morning hunt first week of November. A doe came in mid morning right under his tree and he shot her with his crossbow, pinned her right there and she expired very quickly. Dad thought about getting down to take care of the doe but decided to stay put for awhile, it was cold so no big hurry, let's see if anything happens he said. Sure enough about an hour later he saw a nice 8pt off in the distance heading his direction with his nose down trailing that doe dad shot. He said the buck walked right up to the doe and looked at her for a few seconds then started aggressively poking her with his antlers trying to get her up on her feet all the while never noticing dad directly above him. Dad said the show lasted for about 10 minutes until the buck decided that she was not going to get up and started to move away. Dad put a bolt through the buck's vitals and we had a short blood trail to him. Absolutely. I’ve watched Grant Woods do this quite a few times on his growing deer YouTube show.
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Post by alduflux on Oct 11, 2021 21:06:25 GMT -5
One theoretical advantage to a early doe harvest is as follows: (I've never seen this mentioned before in any qdma literature. This is my own thought.)
Shooting a doe early over a doe shot late should improve heard genetics from a "big antler" standpoint. Basically a doe shot in October is one doe the big buck didn't waste his time breeding. The late doe harvest increases the chance of shooting the big bucks doe. That October doe kill should theoretically remove a doe that the "bad buck" would have bred. This of course assumes the big buck is going to out compete the bad buck for the same doe.
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Post by duff on Oct 11, 2021 21:16:19 GMT -5
An early doe is almost a free pass for a buck. Statistics are on the bucks side. Most hunters do not kill 2 or more deer. Not sure what the overall stats are but I think it may be 76.83% of hunters every year kill 0-1 deer per year.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Oct 11, 2021 21:20:36 GMT -5
An early doe is almost a free pass for a buck. Statistics are on the bucks side. Most hunters do not kill 2 or more deer. Not sure what the overall stats are but I think it may be 76.83% of hunters every year kill 0-1 deer per year. An early doe to me just means this season is looking up and may turn out okay. Pretty sure 93% of every 79% of statistics are made up.
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Post by duff on Oct 11, 2021 21:32:00 GMT -5
I get that and many on this site are same boat but we are not the normal slice of the population. I am data driven. It does not mean we are all destined to fit the norm but I understand estimated my swag. From idnr report 70% of successful hunters only take 1 deer. However only roughly 50% of licensed hunters are successful. So that would mean 85% of licensed hunters are 0-1 deer harvested.
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Post by duff on Oct 11, 2021 21:34:01 GMT -5
An early doe is almost a free pass for a buck. Statistics are on the bucks side. Most hunters do not kill 2 or more deer. Not sure what the overall stats are but I think it may be 76.83% of hunters every year kill 0-1 deer per year. An early doe to me just means this season is looking up and may turn out okay. Pretty sure 93% of every 79% of statistics are made up. Nearly all stats, 99.963%, with 2 decimal points or more are fabricated!
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Post by esshup on Oct 12, 2021 1:10:13 GMT -5
BUT, if you shoot a young one from this year, it's got at least 2 more months of growing if you shoot it later.
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Post by firstwd on Oct 12, 2021 4:50:28 GMT -5
Why is everybody killing does?!!? The heard is completely decimated!!!! I haven't seen 100 deer a day in more than 20 years $^((@^:%
Sorry. Just had to vent. :-)
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Post by duff on Oct 12, 2021 5:33:38 GMT -5
Why is everybody killing does?!!? The heard is completely decimated!!!! I haven't seen 100 deer a day in more than 20 years $^((@^:% Sorry. Just had to vent. :-) Lol I thought same thing. We are in for our next round of the biologist dont know nothing arguments. I remember the saying, "If you think you have killed enough does, kill 1 more!" Not sure that is an exact quote but it was close.
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Post by span870 on Oct 12, 2021 6:09:33 GMT -5
And always remember, you kill it on October 1st or the last day of the season, you're also killing at least one fawn. Getting geared up for that argument this year again. It's one of my top 3 reasons to be in Facebook jail.
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Post by genesis273 on Oct 12, 2021 6:42:21 GMT -5
I'm right there with ya. (No Facebook jail. They cannot jail ya if you don't belong!)
I always try to shoot my does early. Not to say I've never shot one late season but, that's was always rare. Same reasoning too. I just think of it as killing two or three when they get killed late season.
That's just me though. No objections or harsh feelings to those who hunt otherwise.
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Post by sculver7 on Oct 12, 2021 6:52:04 GMT -5
"Make shooting does great again." - Kip Campbell
I shoot any doe that gets close enough for me to shoot at any point throughout the season.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 12, 2021 6:57:27 GMT -5
I'm right there with ya. (No Facebook jail. They cannot jail ya if you don't belong!) I always try to shoot my does early. Not to say I've never shot one late season but, that's was always rare. Same reasoning too. I just think of it as killing two or three when they get killed late season. That's just me though. No objections or harsh feelings to those who hunt otherwise. One doe in October is the same as 3 in December don’t fool yourself.
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Post by boonechaser on Oct 12, 2021 7:08:01 GMT -5
We have a healthy population locally SO no concern shooting 1 or 2 early. End day whether shoot opening day or last day the net result on local herd is same.
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Oct 12, 2021 7:22:31 GMT -5
I'm planning two deer this year so with Indiana one buck rule one will be a doe. I prefer early, but this year it's so warm it might be later. The hanging cooler doesn't work well when it's get into the 60's. Maybe in a few days of October it will be cooler. If I'm really lucky the doe is 1.5 yr old. I look for doe with one fawn
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Post by genesis273 on Oct 12, 2021 7:30:46 GMT -5
I'm right there with ya. (No Facebook jail. They cannot jail ya if you don't belong!) I always try to shoot my does early. Not to say I've never shot one late season but, that's was always rare. Same reasoning too. I just think of it as killing two or three when they get killed late season. That's just me though. No objections or harsh feelings to those who hunt otherwise. One doe in October is the same as 3 in December don’t fool yourself. I get your point. Call me soft of whatever you like. I just don't like the thought of shooting a pregnant doe. I don't like shooting a doe with fawns either. I am what I am.
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