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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2020 9:21:11 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2020 16:07:04 GMT -5
I especially like this from the piece: "In addition to the sheer size of the spending bill, many Republicans strenuously objected to the fact that they were not even given the text of the bill with ample time to read it before voting on it. Reportedly due to delays with printers and technology, members of Congress were not provided with either a paper or a digital copy of the bill until almost literally the last minute. Among the "nay" votes in the Senate, Lee and Cruz specifically highlighted their inability to read the bill as a reason for voting against it. After noting the absurdity of being asked to vote on a bill that he hasn't been given time to read, Lee also noted that the process by which the bill was passed did not allow for any amendments or opportunities to improve the bill. In a thread on Twitter, Lee said, "This process, by which members of Congress are asked to defer blindly to legislation negotiated entirely in secret by four of their colleagues, must come to an end. It won't come to an end until no longer works for those empowered by it. That can happen, but only when most members of both houses and both political parties stop voting for bills they haven't read — and, by design, cannot read until after it's too late." This government is out of control, overbearing and aided by a citizenry that is out of touch and completely apathetic.
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Post by medic22 on Dec 23, 2020 16:49:48 GMT -5
Rand Paul was my 2016 Presidential hopeful.
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Post by jjas on Dec 23, 2020 17:17:29 GMT -5
The only way things are going to change in this country is if WE THE PEOPLE change it.
And to do that, it means not continually voting for the same people over and over and over again, until they finally decide they are too old to stay there and collect a check for doing little or nothing.
You have to clean house regularly, to truly make a change.
Or don't do it and spend your time continually complaining about politicians on a hunting forum...
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 23, 2020 18:52:46 GMT -5
I especially like this from the piece: "In addition to the sheer size of the spending bill, many Republicans strenuously objected to the fact that they were not even given the text of the bill with ample time to read it before voting on it. Reportedly due to delays with printers and technology, members of Congress were not provided with either a paper or a digital copy of the bill until almost literally the last minute. Among the "nay" votes in the Senate, Lee and Cruz specifically highlighted their inability to read the bill as a reason for voting against it. After noting the absurdity of being asked to vote on a bill that he hasn't been given time to read, Lee also noted that the process by which the bill was passed did not allow for any amendments or opportunities to improve the bill. In a thread on Twitter, Lee said, "This process, by which members of Congress are asked to defer blindly to legislation negotiated entirely in secret by four of their colleagues, must come to an end. It won't come to an end until no longer works for those empowered by it. That can happen, but only when most members of both houses and both political parties stop voting for bills they haven't read — and, by design, cannot read until after it's too late." This government is out of control, overbearing and aided by a citizenry that is out of touch and completely apathetic. Larry Buschon says they “didn’t need to read it as everyone knew what was in it”. Yeah, right.. I hope he gets primaried in 2022..
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Post by blackmouthcur on Dec 23, 2020 19:59:38 GMT -5
Maybe he shouldn’t of signed the bill that gave the wealthy and corporations a 1.7 trillion dollar tax cut before he starts ing about giving the American people a little bit of help. But I do agree with Trump that there’s so much bs in this bill it’s sickening.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2020 20:13:47 GMT -5
Maybe he shouldn’t of signed the bill that gave the wealthy and corporations a 1.7 trillion dollar tax cut before he starts ing about giving the American people a little bit of help. But I do agree with Trump that there’s so much bs in this bill it’s sickening. It is NOT the proper role of government to "help" anyone. Period. That being said, it is even less the proper role of government to "give the American people a little bit of help"...but government can create a climate where business has the potential to flourish. Giving business and those who create jobs incentive to do those things isn`t "welfare", it`s creating a place where business owners have the resources and incentive to hire more AMERICANS and generate a larger tax base.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2020 20:21:43 GMT -5
So my new post on unconscious in the campfire to start the process of change. It will not happen until we the population change.
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Post by blackmouthcur on Dec 24, 2020 2:47:40 GMT -5
Maybe he shouldn’t of signed the bill that gave the wealthy and corporations a 1.7 trillion dollar tax cut before he starts ing about giving the American people a little bit of help. But I do agree with Trump that there’s so much bs in this bill it’s sickening. It is NOT the proper role of government to "help" anyone. Period. That being said, it is even less the proper role of government to "give the American people a little bit of help"...but government can create a climate where business has the potential to flourish. Giving business and those who create jobs incentive to do those things isn`t "welfare", it`s creating a place where business owners have the resources and incentive to hire more AMERICANS and generate a larger tax base. harvardlpr.com/online-articles/shipping-jobs-overseas-how-the-tax-code-subsidizes-foreign-investment-and-how-to-fix-it/ Oh, I get it, you mean like this.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 26, 2020 14:30:57 GMT -5
Ok I might be wrong here but I was under the impression that Rand Paul wanted to legalize marijuana? Is this true or not?
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Post by medic22 on Dec 26, 2020 16:47:04 GMT -5
Ok I might be wrong here but I was under the impression that Rand Paul wanted to legalize marijuana? Is this true or not? As long as ive paid attention to him he has wanted to.
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Post by Russ Koon on Dec 27, 2020 1:36:05 GMT -5
Yes. It's one of many issues where he took a more realistic position on an issue, although it wasn't the most popular view at the time.
I smoked a little of it on rare occasions way back when, but never was a regular or heavy user. That was a good many years before I heard of Rand Paul.
Even then, it seemed to me that the "War on Drugs" had actually been lost decades before, and that it had only resulted in the creation of a very lucrative black market for the contraband substances, which rewarded the smugglers and bootleggers of drugs in the same way that Prohibition had rewarded the smugglers and bootleggers of alcohol a couple generations earlier. Made much more sense to legalize it and tax it, than to ban it, creating the much greater profit margins that come with it being illegal, then spending millions of dollars and hundreds of lives of LE personnel in the unwinnable war against it.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 27, 2020 18:16:36 GMT -5
Yes. It's one of many issues where he took a more realistic position on an issue, although it wasn't the most popular view at the time. I smoked a little of it on rare occasions way back when, but never was a regular or heavy user. That was a good many years before I heard of Rand Paul. Even then, it seemed to me that the "War on Drugs" had actually been lost decades before, and that it had only resulted in the creation of a very lucrative black market for the contraband substances, which rewarded the smugglers and bootleggers of drugs in the same way that Prohibition had rewarded the smugglers and bootleggers of alcohol a couple generations earlier. Made much more sense to legalize it and tax it, than to ban it, creating the much greater profit margins that come with it being illegal, then spending millions of dollars and hundreds of lives of LE personnel in the unwinnable war against it. I've never partook also don't think we need to be legalizing it. In my mind it sends the wrong message. I'd outlaw tobacco if I could. Very harmful things. I'm no saint I love my beer and the occasional whisky drink I just worry about kids that would venture down that road and say it was ok just because it was legal. Why open the door? Look at Portland OR. L.A. and denver there's too many kids screwed up already why invite it?
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Post by jjas on Dec 27, 2020 19:09:42 GMT -5
Ive never looked @ marijuana any differently than I did alcohol as both are considered intoxicants in my book.
I've been around drunks and I've been around stoners, and I'd rather hang around a stoner than a drunk any day for one simple reason.
I've never seen an angry stoner, but I've seen plenty of angry drunks...
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 27, 2020 19:39:31 GMT -5
I'm a happy and sleepy "drunk" I try not to get hammered too often. It's a little harder on you as you get older. In my opinion stoners stink.
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Post by medic22 on Dec 27, 2020 20:16:54 GMT -5
Yes. It's one of many issues where he took a more realistic position on an issue, although it wasn't the most popular view at the time. I smoked a little of it on rare occasions way back when, but never was a regular or heavy user. That was a good many years before I heard of Rand Paul. Even then, it seemed to me that the "War on Drugs" had actually been lost decades before, and that it had only resulted in the creation of a very lucrative black market for the contraband substances, which rewarded the smugglers and bootleggers of drugs in the same way that Prohibition had rewarded the smugglers and bootleggers of alcohol a couple generations earlier. Made much more sense to legalize it and tax it, than to ban it, creating the much greater profit margins that come with it being illegal, then spending millions of dollars and hundreds of lives of LE personnel in the unwinnable war against it. I've never partook also don't think we need to be legalizing it. In my mind it sends the wrong message. I'd outlaw tobacco if I could. Very harmful things. I'm no saint I love my beer and the occasional whisky drink I just worry about kids that would venture down that road and say it was ok just because it was legal. Why open the door? Look at Portland OR. L.A. and denver there's too many kids screwed up already why invite it? We spend millions of dollars fighting againts pot every year when we could create thousands of jobs and millions of dollars in tax revenue if we just legalized. Im not aware of anywhere that has made it legal for minors to smoke pot.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 20:24:15 GMT -5
I've never partook also don't think we need to be legalizing it. In my mind it sends the wrong message. I'd outlaw tobacco if I could. Very harmful things. I'm no saint I love my beer and the occasional whisky drink I just worry about kids that would venture down that road and say it was ok just because it was legal. Why open the door? Look at Portland OR. L.A. and denver there's too many kids screwed up already why invite it? We spend millions of dollars fighting againts pot every year when we could create thousands of jobs and millions of dollars in tax revenue if we just legalized. Im not aware of anywhere that has made it legal for minors to smoke pot. Pottersville vs Bedford Falls...
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Post by jjas on Dec 27, 2020 20:39:20 GMT -5
hunter xmax
Here's where you lost me. Let's not legalize weed, and outlaw tobacco, but leave my alcohol alone...
While I'm not advocating the use of any of it, I'll wager that alcohol has caused more misery such as domestic violence, and car accidents than tobacco and weed combined have.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 21:10:05 GMT -5
hunter xmax Here's where you lost me. Let's not legalize weed, and outlaw tobacco, but leave my alcohol alone... While I'm not advocating the use of any of it, I'll wager that alcohol has caused more misery such as domestic violence, and car accidents than tobacco and weed combined have. This is a rare time where I actually agree with you about alcohol and tobacco, but where you lose me is, the thinking that says, sure alcohol and tobacco have cost lives and quality of life, so let`s heap more misery on society by making yet another gateway drug into the mix to screw up even more people...
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 27, 2020 21:14:02 GMT -5
Ok a lot to cover here. Kids learn to drink from mom and dad. Kids will more readily learn how to smoke pot by the same means. Kids get beer from a number of ways but someone's older brother that needs a couple bucks can supply a party with beer pretty quick. Make pot legal and you've just opened up a whole new avenue to get it to the young people. There was always that line of "It doesn't matter what age you are pot is illegal" with beer we were taking a risk but if you put it in mom and dad's hand you can sure bet it's going to get into more kid's hands. As far as making tobacco illegal, it'll never happen but I'd love to see it happen I've seen so much cancer because of it.
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