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Post by span870 on Jul 29, 2020 18:42:17 GMT -5
What's the fine for killing a chicken killing hawk? . Also why can I kill just about anything, including a deer eating a couple ears on a thousand acre corn field, coon stealing seed out of my bird feeder, a possum looking at me crooked, all legally, but not a hawk taking a chicken a day.
Note: asking for a friend that lives very far away.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Jul 29, 2020 18:59:17 GMT -5
There’s no fine as long as you don’t post the question on a public forum and make things seem suspicious.
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Post by span870 on Jul 29, 2020 19:09:15 GMT -5
There’s no fine as long as you don’t post the question on a public forum and make things seem suspicious. You know I told my friend the exact same thing. He don't listen.
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Post by span870 on Jul 29, 2020 19:11:54 GMT -5
Honestly, my question is geared more towards, why can't we protect our property from them. I understand the whole pesticide argument from the 70's but we all know there's way more hawks then needed. They've made their comeback. It's time for the feds to lift the regs.
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Post by duff on Jul 29, 2020 20:04:57 GMT -5
Honestly, my question is geared more towards, why can't we protect our property from them. I understand the whole pesticide argument from the 70's but we all know there's way more hawks then needed. They've made their comeback. It's time for the feds to lift the regs. I attended the great Frankton High School where in a glass case we had a Golden Eagle that was killed by a local farmer because it was eating lambs. He had it mounted and donated to the school. Just kill it and find a school named the mighty chicken hawks and donate it. I mean suggest that to your friend
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Post by esshup on Jul 29, 2020 20:48:28 GMT -5
I can't answer the question, but I do know that it's a Federal crime considering that they are protected by Federal Law.
MBTA = Migratory Bird Treaty Act "MBTA violations involving the taking, possession, transportation or other unlawful utilization of migratory birds including permit regulations are misdemeanors, punishable by a fine of up to $15,000 and/or up to six months imprisonment, and revocation of permits (if applicable). The sale or barter of migratory birds is a felony punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 (500,000 per organization) and/or up to two years in prison."
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Post by stevein on Jul 29, 2020 21:30:01 GMT -5
$15K will buy a lot of chickens and eggs. Plus you would be dealing with the Feds not some local prosecutor.
It would tough to get a treaty changed unless the other signers are having simlar problems.
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Post by parrothead on Jul 30, 2020 4:50:28 GMT -5
I agree its not right. Look at the the black headed buzzard killing all those baby calve and those things are protected.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 6:28:42 GMT -5
How about the counties spraying large areas without a notifier to the public in that area. Mosquito spraying. Kills a lot more than mosquitoes and some that are protected by federal law. Breaking the law.
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Post by span870 on Jul 30, 2020 7:24:19 GMT -5
How about the counties spraying large areas without a notifier to the public in that area. Mosquito spraying. Kills a lot more than mosquitoes and some that are protected by federal law. Breaking the law. Does the spray kill hawks cause if it does I'll sign up for my "mosquito" problem.
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Post by freedomhunter on Jul 30, 2020 8:11:53 GMT -5
I agree its not right. Look at the the black headed buzzard killing all those baby calve and those things are protected. Those evil things are moving north. I saw a flock hunting in Parke County. American Black Vulture, kill them with fire. I've seen them in the southern part of Johnson county, also.
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Post by esshup on Jul 30, 2020 8:14:16 GMT -5
Double crested cormorants are bad for ponds. Each bird will eat a pound of fish per day. I've done fishery studies on some ponds right after the cormorants migrated through an area. One pond, one acre in size had 7-8 cormorants on it for a few weeks prior to the study. 80% of the fish that were captured in the study had marks on them and scales missing where they escaped from a cormorant. Those are protected too.....
I've seen a picture of a dead bald eagle near the base of a wind turbine at a "wind farm". Would that be covered under the MTBA? I doubt it.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 8:31:53 GMT -5
How about the counties spraying large areas without a notifier to the public in that area. Mosquito spraying. Kills a lot more than mosquitoes and some that are protected by federal law. Breaking the law. Does the spray kill hawks cause if it does I'll sign up for my "mosquito" problem. It can hurt and kill birds, but didn't get into species. I kills honeybee colonies and #1 or #2 issue with the Varro Mite Destroyer. Just had a meeting last night wit Ohio's Barbara Bloetscher State Apiarist/ Entomologist for The Ohio Dept of Agriculture, Division of Plant Health. Spent 1.5 hours talking about mosquito sprays and the health issues to pollinators insects and the insecticides getting into the foods produced by the pollinators. Barb mentioned birds with the insects just last night. Her team just had a meeting with Ohio congress to draft a bill stopping the mass spraying for mosquitoes. Barb mentioned traps work a lot better and are safer. Key is putting up more traps verses spraying. Note: If you see traps then spraying is next. They trap 1st , lab test (3 to 4 weeks) then spray. Just learned that last night.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 8:37:28 GMT -5
I agree its not right. Look at the the black headed buzzard killing all those baby calve and those things are protected. Those evil things are moving north. I saw a flock hunting in Parke County. American Black Vulture, kill them with fire. I've seen them in the southern part of Johnson county, also. There is a new huge bird in my area that I've seen a few times, but not very good each time. I knew it wasn't an eagle, but just as big if not bigger. My bet it's a black headed buzzard. Thank's for pointing it out.
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Post by moose1am on Jul 30, 2020 8:51:22 GMT -5
Why not ask the CO in Ask the CO section of this web site? I went to school with a friend that after graduation became a undercover Federal Wildlife Agent with the US Department of Fish and Wildlife. He's retired now so you don't have to worry about him busting you for talking about killing a protected species on the forums here. I took a Statistics class with him my senior year and he was good friends with Mark Reiter and I when we were seniors at Purdue. I would think that a good chicken coop would help keep the hawks out. Can you put a net over the chicken yard? Would that not keep the hawks out? What about the foxes, raccoons and other predators that kill chickens. We have a hawk or two in our neighborhood. What was once farmland and a wheat field is not full of 30 year old trees. I liked it much better as an open farm field but one of our next door neighbors purchased 3 acres right behind our house and planted trees in his yard. He liked trees. I wish that he had moved into the woods and not made a woods out of the open fields. But now there are lots of fox squirrels, crows and hawks all living in his little 1 acre wood lot next to his house.
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Post by tenring on Jul 30, 2020 9:33:24 GMT -5
Shoot, shovel, and "shut up!
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Post by jbird on Jul 30, 2020 10:47:33 GMT -5
^^^^^the 3 S's..... I typically am not for any sort of illegal activity.....but if you have a constant issue that needs resolved....well somethings we don't need to talk about.
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Post by esshup on Jul 30, 2020 11:01:40 GMT -5
According to the MTBA, if the netting does not protect the chickens, then a person could apply for a permit to legally shoot them. What that costs and what hoops would have to be jumped through to get it I dont' know. I DO know that a permit is relatively easily obtained for shooting Great Blue Herons.
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Post by omegahunter on Jul 30, 2020 11:48:24 GMT -5
According to the MTBA, if the netting does not protect the chickens, then a person could apply for a permit to legally shoot them. What that costs and what hoops would have to be jumped through to get it I dont' know. I DO know that a permit is relatively easily obtained for shooting Great Blue Herons. I worked for 2 summers for East Fork State Fish Hatchery and they applied for a cormorant kill permit the second summer I was there. They were approved for a permit application to kill 10% of the average daily count of cormorants on the hatchery property. The average daily count came out to 9. The Feds responded that they were not allowed to kill a single cormorant because they didn't have a big enough daily count to warrant it. They then invested in a propane cannon that worked until the cormorants got used to it. Losing battle with the Feds on these topics.
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Post by esshup on Jul 30, 2020 14:09:52 GMT -5
According to the MTBA, if the netting does not protect the chickens, then a person could apply for a permit to legally shoot them. What that costs and what hoops would have to be jumped through to get it I dont' know. I DO know that a permit is relatively easily obtained for shooting Great Blue Herons. I worked for 2 summers for East Fork State Fish Hatchery and they applied for a cormorant kill permit the second summer I was there. They were approved for a permit application to kill 10% of the average daily count of cormorants on the hatchery property. The average daily count came out to 9. The Feds responded that they were not allowed to kill a single cormorant because they didn't have a big enough daily count to warrant it. They then invested in a propane cannon that worked until the cormorants got used to it. Losing battle with the Feds on these topics. A client in Texas applied for the permit for years. He averaged shooting between 200 and 300 cormorants per year. He had to keep a log book of who did the shooting, and how they were disposed of. Whoever did the shooting had to have a valid hunting license and I believe a migratory bird stamp. I know with the permit for the Great Blue Herons, you have to use non-toxic ammo, I can't remember if it has to be a shotgun or if you can use non-toxic ammo in a rifle to kill them.
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