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Post by span870 on Jul 30, 2020 17:15:10 GMT -5
I agree its not right. Look at the the black headed buzzard killing all those baby calve and those things are protected. "Protected" is a key word out west where they are having major problems with them. From experience hunting out there and getting chastised for not carrying my rifle everywhere I went in my truck, I'd say they are handling the situation just fine
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Post by span870 on Jul 30, 2020 17:20:30 GMT -5
Why not ask the CO in Ask the CO section of this web site? I went to school with a friend that after graduation became a undercover Federal Wildlife Agent with the US Department of Fish and Wildlife. He's retired now so you don't have to worry about him busting you for talking about killing a protected species on the forums here. I took a Statistics class with him my senior year and he was good friends with Mark Reiter and I when we were seniors at Purdue. I would think that a good chicken coop would help keep the hawks out. Can you put a net over the chicken yard? Would that not keep the hawks out? What about the foxes, raccoons and other predators that kill chickens. We have a hawk or two in our neighborhood. What was once farmland and a wheat field is not full of 30 year old trees. I liked it much better as an open farm field but one of our next door neighbors purchased 3 acres right behind our house and planted trees in his yard. He liked trees. I wish that he had moved into the woods and not made a woods out of the open fields. But now there are lots of fox squirrels, crows and hawks all living in his little 1 acre wood lot next to his house. Heck I don't have any problems with hawks. Asking completely for a friend. Pretty sure 10 acres and well over 100 chickens be a bit too big for netting. As far as the rest, well the fence keeps them out and if they do get it, a blue tick coon hounds solves many issues. Point is, foxes and raccoons I'm allowed to kill, hawks for some reason I ain't.
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Post by moose1am on Jul 30, 2020 17:29:21 GMT -5
Why not ask the CO in Ask the CO section of this web site? I went to school with a friend that after graduation became a undercover Federal Wildlife Agent with the US Department of Fish and Wildlife. He's retired now so you don't have to worry about him busting you for talking about killing a protected species on the forums here. I took a Statistics class with him my senior year and he was good friends with Mark Reiter and I when we were seniors at Purdue. I would think that a good chicken coop would help keep the hawks out. Can you put a net over the chicken yard? Would that not keep the hawks out? What about the foxes, raccoons and other predators that kill chickens. We have a hawk or two in our neighborhood. What was once farmland and a wheat field is not full of 30 year old trees. I liked it much better as an open farm field but one of our next door neighbors purchased 3 acres right behind our house and planted trees in his yard. He liked trees. I wish that he had moved into the woods and not made a woods out of the open fields. But now there are lots of fox squirrels, crows and hawks all living in his little 1 acre wood lot next to his house. Heck I don't have any problems with hawks. Asking completely for a friend. Pretty sure 10 acres and well over 100 chickens be a bit too big for netting. As far as the rest, well the fence keeps them out and if they do get it, a blue tick coon hounds solves many issues. Point is, foxes and raccoons I'm allowed to kill, hawks for some reason I ain't. Well why didn't you say you were a big time chicken farmer in the first place. Hawks need to eat too. How much does one chicken cost these days. Hawks kill mice and voles as well as chickens once in a while. Chicken hawks included the red tailed hawk, The coopers hawk and the Sharp Shinned Hawk. They are at the top of the food chain and are thus not as numerous as other smaller birds. It's easy to wipe them all out if we allowed people to hunt or shoot them. Maybe you can get the Feds to pay you for your losses. I don't eat too much chicken. I prefer beef myself. Why don't you tell your friend to ask the CO. Other wise you might be in trouble as a co-conspirator.
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Post by bullseye69 on Jul 30, 2020 17:39:32 GMT -5
We have a ton of doves at my dads place until the dang hawks come in. They get a bunch of them and the rest...exit...stage right. Once the doves are gone then they get after the rabbits.
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Post by bullseye69 on Jul 30, 2020 17:56:16 GMT -5
I think you need 6 to have a flock of chickens.
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Post by moose1am on Jul 30, 2020 18:02:19 GMT -5
We have a ton of doves at my dads place until the dang hawks come in. They get a bunch of them and the rest...exit...stage right. Once the doves are gone then they get after the rabbits. That reminds me of a chicken hawk at my house. One day I was looking out of the kitchen window at my bird feeder. There were two morning doves eating the sunflower seeds inside the bird feeder. The bird feeder was open all around except for a roof over the top. I saw something (it was a blur) and all that was left was one feather floating in the air. (Think Forest Gump Movie). I never did see what it was but it was most likely a Chicken Hawk of some kind. One winter I was shooting some of those pesky invasive birds. There were a few Starlings laying dead on top of the snow on the ground. A chicken Hawk flew down and started tearing one of the dead birds apart and ate it. I took pictures with my Canon DSLR camera and have them on one of my back up hard drives somewhere. They were stored by date and there are no little picture icons that show the pictures in each directory. This makes it hard to find any picture that I'm looking for. I took a lot of pictures back in those days when my camera was new. Now I just take pictures with my smartphone as it's much easier to use and carry around.
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Post by esshup on Jul 30, 2020 22:00:36 GMT -5
Why not ask the CO in Ask the CO section of this web site? I went to school with a friend that after graduation became a undercover Federal Wildlife Agent with the US Department of Fish and Wildlife. He's retired now so you don't have to worry about him busting you for talking about killing a protected species on the forums here. I took a Statistics class with him my senior year and he was good friends with Mark Reiter and I when we were seniors at Purdue. I would think that a good chicken coop would help keep the hawks out. Can you put a net over the chicken yard? Would that not keep the hawks out? What about the foxes, raccoons and other predators that kill chickens. We have a hawk or two in our neighborhood. What was once farmland and a wheat field is not full of 30 year old trees. I liked it much better as an open farm field but one of our next door neighbors purchased 3 acres right behind our house and planted trees in his yard. He liked trees. I wish that he had moved into the woods and not made a woods out of the open fields. But now there are lots of fox squirrels, crows and hawks all living in his little 1 acre wood lot next to his house. Heck I don't have any problems with hawks. Asking completely for a friend. Pretty sure 10 acres and well over 100 chickens be a bit too big for netting. As far as the rest, well the fence keeps them out and if they do get it, a blue tick coon hounds solves many issues. Point is, foxes and raccoons I'm allowed to kill, hawks for some reason I ain't. Nope, not too big to cover with a net at all. I know a guy who'd raise right around 100,000 pheasants a year (outside). The pens were HUGE and the sides were netting that was 12'-16' high. The birds had to fly although they had blinders pinned through their beak so they couldn't see directly in front of them to keep them from pecking the other pheasants. When they got put out in the field the blinders came off the birds flew straight up until they realized they could see in front of them, then they leveled off and flew horizontally. It was a HUGE put and take operation.
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Post by span870 on Jul 31, 2020 0:36:41 GMT -5
Heck I don't have any problems with hawks. Asking completely for a friend. Pretty sure 10 acres and well over 100 chickens be a bit too big for netting. As far as the rest, well the fence keeps them out and if they do get it, a blue tick coon hounds solves many issues. Point is, foxes and raccoons I'm allowed to kill, hawks for some reason I ain't. Well why didn't you say you were a big time chicken farmer in the first place. Hawks need to eat too. How much does one chicken cost these days. Hawks kill mice and voles as well as chickens once in a while. Chicken hawks included the red tailed hawk, The coopers hawk and the Sharp Shinned Hawk. They are at the top of the food chain and are thus not as numerous as other smaller birds. It's easy to wipe them all out if we allowed people to hunt or shoot them. Maybe you can get the Feds to pay you for your losses. I don't eat too much chicken. I prefer beef myself. Why don't you tell your friend to ask the CO. Other wise you might be in trouble as a co-conspirator. Ehhh the old "gotta eat" argument. Usually spoken by the same that'll shoot a coyote cause they imagine em chewing on a fawn, which I might add probably need more control than the coyote. Shoot a bobcat for the same reason while bobcats kill a miniscule amount of fawns. (Yeah, I know your brothers cousins neighbor who only does meth on weekends once seed a bobcat pack stalking a deer accompanied by a black mountain lion). Shoot the coons cause they are getting into the grain bins. Again the possum's cause they looked cross eyed. Fox for being a fox. See I lose several chickens a year to other predators and they leave the yard of the coon dog don't get them. See I have no problem with animals "gotta eating". You take one here and there, you're okay with me. One a day is when we have problems. Heck the fox are more than welcome to the off chicken they get to feed their babies, you know why? See a fox will kill a cat in a blink of an eye, well just because. Food chain argument, I don't know but I know as long as I have the fox around, my neighbor has way less cats. Now the argument about well they kill mice, voles... whatever is really a moot point when you start killing livestock at a rate they are. Ten acre running pen that has some of the best rabbit habitat you will see in the southern half of the state holds many small rodents and a stray rabbit here and there. More than welcome to them. So why the chickens? You know why. Because they got lazy. Take an easy meal. Day after day after day. Your smaller hawks aren't the problem here. They are sticking to their food chain and are more than welcome on my property. Stick to what you know and everyone is fine. To edit: absolutely no one said, I'm shooting these hawks. Yes, these refers to more than a single hawk because now the free loader brought a friend along to enjoy the buffet. The point I'm trying to make here is the regs do need to be lifted. I guarantee you if that red tail was killing fawns, oh Lord look out. There be a government uprising to eliminate the sob's cause they killin all the woods goats.
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Post by span870 on Jul 31, 2020 0:39:45 GMT -5
Heck I don't have any problems with hawks. Asking completely for a friend. Pretty sure 10 acres and well over 100 chickens be a bit too big for netting. As far as the rest, well the fence keeps them out and if they do get it, a blue tick coon hounds solves many issues. Point is, foxes and raccoons I'm allowed to kill, hawks for some reason I ain't. Nope, not too big to cover with a net at all. I know a guy who'd raise right around 100,000 pheasants a year (outside). The pens were HUGE and the sides were netting that was 12'-16' high. The birds had to fly although they had blinders pinned through their beak so they couldn't see directly in front of them to keep them from pecking the other pheasants. When they got put out in the field the blinders came off the birds flew straight up until they realized they could see in front of them, then they leveled off and flew horizontally. It was a HUGE put and take operation. Yeah I know all about flight pens and don't see why it should be placed on me to spend thousands of dollars to protect my livestock from a predator when if it was a coon, possum, fox, or yote dnr would be laughing and just say, well shoot it. Absolutely guarantee you that your buddy that raised them birds also had a barn shotgun for, well coon and such that may fly...em I mean walk in and try to take his birds.
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Post by duff on Jul 31, 2020 5:35:52 GMT -5
Well why didn't you say you were a big time chicken farmer in the first place. Hawks need to eat too. How much does one chicken cost these days. Hawks kill mice and voles as well as chickens once in a while. Chicken hawks included the red tailed hawk, The coopers hawk and the Sharp Shinned Hawk. They are at the top of the food chain and are thus not as numerous as other smaller birds. It's easy to wipe them all out if we allowed people to hunt or shoot them. Maybe you can get the Feds to pay you for your losses. I don't eat too much chicken. I prefer beef myself. Why don't you tell your friend to ask the CO. Other wise you might be in trouble as a co-conspirator. Ehhh the old "gotta eat" argument. Usually spoken by the same that'll shoot a coyote cause they imagine em chewing on a fawn, which I might add probably need more control than the coyote. Shoot a bobcat for the same reason while bobcats kill a miniscule amount of fawns. (Yeah, I know your brothers cousins neighbor who only does meth on weekends once seed a bobcat pack stalking a deer accompanied by a black mountain lion). Shoot the coons cause they are getting into the grain bins. Again the possum's cause they looked cross eyed. Fox for being a fox. See I lose several chickens a year to other predators and they leave the yard of the coon dog don't get them. See I have no problem with animals "gotta eating". You take one here and there, you're okay with me. One a day is when we have problems. Heck the fox are more than welcome to the off chicken they get to feed their babies, you know why? See a fox will kill a cat in a blink of an eye, well just because. Food chain argument, I don't know but I know as long as I have the fox around, my neighbor has way less cats. Now the argument about well they kill mice, voles... whatever is really a moot point when you start killing livestock at a rate they are. Ten acre running pen that has some of the best rabbit habitat you will see in the southern half of the state holds many small rodents and a stray rabbit here and there. More than welcome to them. So why the chickens? You know why. Because they got lazy. Take an easy meal. Day after day after day. Your smaller hawks aren't the problem here. They are sticking to their food chain and are more than welcome on my property. Stick to what you know and everyone is fine. To edit: absolutely no one said, I'm shooting these hawks. Yes, these refers to more than a single hawk because now the free loader brought a friend along to enjoy the buffet. The point I'm trying to make here is the regs do need to be lifted. I guarantee you if that red tail was killing fawns, oh Lord look out. There be a government uprising to eliminate the sob's cause they killin all the woods goats. Moose, keep quoting this with more response. I want to see the longest single post ever.
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Post by esshup on Jul 31, 2020 5:55:53 GMT -5
span870, I agree with you, but the Feds might have a different take on it.
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Post by moose1am on Jul 31, 2020 16:27:49 GMT -5
span870, I agree with you, but the Feds might have a different take on it. I'm pretty sure that the Feds already have him under surveillance. And his friend too!
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Post by span870 on Aug 1, 2020 4:25:22 GMT -5
Lol. I guarantee you I've been on their radar long before my hawk statement. I'd imagine if they are having a meeting about me there would be a statement along the lines of, "oh, go ahead and add he asked about shooting a hawk too". Least of my worries. I make a lot of stupid statements online. duff can verify. Do you honestly think they are going to waste their time on every off the cuff statement of, I'm gonna shoot that dang hawk, that's made online because if so with some of the hunting sites I'm on I'd imagine they are pretty busy in the surveillance business. Now my friend, well he lives a pretty clean life so he may have some worries. Hold one second, I'll be right back. There's a black car out front and some guy in a suit peeking out behind my tree. Nope never mind, husky is chewing on him.
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Post by duff on Aug 1, 2020 4:37:11 GMT -5
Come on Moose, you are not even trying with a 3 line response!
Tell span and his buddy what Mark would do to them if he was still at the dnr or at least a crazy story about you and him when you went to school with him.
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Post by span870 on Aug 1, 2020 10:49:54 GMT -5
duff. You know the best thing about being in the concrete business? Stuff disappears permanently
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Post by nfalls116 on Aug 1, 2020 23:51:46 GMT -5
Chickens kill small rodents just as well as hawks. It’s my opinion that Hawks and mink kill just to kill. I used to raise chickens had problems with a hawk until the hawk got ahold of my rooster (that came from a line of fighting birds) after that day I never lost a chicken to a hawk and my rooster never crossed the road again.
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Post by duff on Aug 2, 2020 6:36:46 GMT -5
span870 I have the solution. Trap the hawk and then keep it as one of your livestock. When out walking your beagles you can have the red tail perched on your shoulder. After 3 laps, release the bird. Then you win. No more lugging a gun you don't shoot. You get to hear the dogs bark. You add more oddity to your animal collection. You get a bit more weird.
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Post by treetop on Aug 2, 2020 8:17:17 GMT -5
duff. You know the best thing about being in the concrete business? Stuff disappears permanently That’s why I pour all my stuff on Saturday only have to pay the driver off
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Post by esshup on Aug 2, 2020 10:01:43 GMT -5
span870 I have the solution. Trap the hawk and then keep it as one of your livestock. When out walking your beagles you can have the red tail perched on your shoulder. After 3 laps, release the bird. Then you win. No more lugging a gun you don't shoot. You get to hear the dogs bark. You add more oddity to your animal collection. You get a bit more weird. I ran my Springer Spaniel for a Falconer once. It was a pretty amazing thing. Dog flushes the pheasant, hawk dives from way up there, and grabs the pheasant. They both tumble to the ground and the falconer gets the pheasant from the hawk. My Springers are trained not to chase after the bird after it flushes, so there was no chance that the dog would go after the hawk.
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Post by duff on Aug 2, 2020 13:12:16 GMT -5
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