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Post by greghopper on Jun 4, 2020 13:22:17 GMT -5
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Post by boman on Jun 4, 2020 18:41:17 GMT -5
LMAO---I suppose the mayor's next move will be to dig up these soldiers remains which are buried in the "Confederate Mound" in Crown Hill and ship them South.
Hogsett is under pressure from the recent events by the black, faith based community here, and rightly so, and this is a typical move by a politician to deflect and "not address the real issues".
Steve
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Post by firstwd on Jun 4, 2020 20:22:20 GMT -5
At this point I wonder if people even know what the Civil War even started over, or who truly lost.
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Post by greghopper on Jun 4, 2020 20:32:57 GMT -5
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Post by boman on Jun 4, 2020 23:07:40 GMT -5
At this point I wonder if people even know what the Civil War even started over, or who truly lost. Good point---I can tell you this much, most people here, black, white, purple green etc. don't,didn't even know that monument exists and could care less about what happened to cause the civil war and how the black people were the real losers. Steve |
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 5, 2020 10:36:39 GMT -5
At this point I wonder if people even know what the Civil War even started over, or who truly lost. Good point---I can tell you this much, most people here, black, white, purple green etc. don't,didn't even know that monument exists and could care less about what happened to cause the civil war and how the black people were the real losers. Steve I've asked the question of a liberal.. Where is the line drawn on what statues and monuments that we tear down and who gets to make that call? A lot of the founding fathers were slave owners so do we blow up the Washington Monument? Burn down Monticello? Half of Mount Rushmore? Etc etc, etc... Maybe even burn a lot of history books and rewrite them with a liberal slant, if they haven't already been done. |
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Post by nfalls116 on Jun 5, 2020 19:19:40 GMT -5
Good, why should we celebrate our opponents. Bet the people wishing to keep it would have a different opinion if it was Viet Cong soldiers or Ho Chi Minh or Saddam or Jane Fonda or a tribute to the ss.
Maybe I’m just dense but how were the blacks the ones who really lost with the civil war?
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Post by firstwd on Jun 5, 2020 21:19:00 GMT -5
Good, why should we celebrate our opponents. Bet the people wishing to keep it would have a different opinion if it was Viet Cong soldiers or Ho Chi Minh or Saddam or Jane Fonda or a tribute to the ss. Maybe I’m just dense but how were the blacks the ones who really lost with the civil war? At some point in History, no clue when, Confederate soldiers were granted all rights of all other American soldiers. |
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Post by nfalls116 on Jun 5, 2020 21:28:17 GMT -5
Good, why should we celebrate our opponents. Bet the people wishing to keep it would have a different opinion if it was Viet Cong soldiers or Ho Chi Minh or Saddam or Jane Fonda or a tribute to the ss. Maybe I’m just dense but how were the blacks the ones who really lost with the civil war? At some point in History, no clue when, Confederate soldiers were granted all rights of all other American soldiers. I think they were just allowed to be citizens but it’s been 14 years since I was in a history class |
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Post by brokenarrow on Jun 5, 2020 21:47:57 GMT -5
Good, why should we celebrate our opponents. Bet the people wishing to keep it would have a different opinion if it was Viet Cong soldiers or Ho Chi Minh or Saddam or Jane Fonda or a tribute to the ss. Maybe I’m just dense but how were the blacks the ones who really lost with the civil war? Spoken like a true Yankee! So Sad!!! The reason we need to keep our monuments is to remind us of OUR history. If we’re not careful history will repeat itself. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 5, 2020 21:50:32 GMT -5
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Post by nfalls116 on Jun 5, 2020 22:06:43 GMT -5
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Post by nfalls116 on Jun 5, 2020 22:15:48 GMT -5
Good, why should we celebrate our opponents. Bet the people wishing to keep it would have a different opinion if it was Viet Cong soldiers or Ho Chi Minh or Saddam or Jane Fonda or a tribute to the ss. Maybe I’m just dense but how were the blacks the ones who really lost with the civil war? Spoken like a true Yankee! So Sad!!! The reason we need to keep our monuments is to remind us of OUR history. If we’re not careful history will repeat itself. As if it hasn’t been perpetually doing that, heck just a few years ago there I was with all the opportunities in the world and some girl convinced me to try some of her fruit... bam paradise gone and I’ve done nothing but think of that and be punished because of that fruit since. I mean Rodney King, George Floyd the only thing that changes in these debates is the dates.... history will continue to repeat itself until we come together to make a change. You can celebrate the confederacy all you want and YOUR history. I am a proud yankee. The only rights the states were concerned over was the right to keep their “free” labor. |
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Post by bullseye69 on Jun 6, 2020 6:46:56 GMT -5
We will continue to repeat these type of things forever.
Sad but true. Until everyone becomes unselfish it will continue.
Politicians will never get along. Countries will never get along.
Neighbors will never get along. The list goes on!
Maybe sometime in the future when science can put a chip in your head to get rid of selfishness, we might have a chance.
All we can do right now is be the best we can to others and hope a few take notice.
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Post by greghopper on Jun 6, 2020 8:06:19 GMT -5
Maybe someone can get MARK FURHMAN on the Laura Ingrahm’s show to explain race relations.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 6, 2020 8:09:16 GMT -5
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Post by boman on Jun 6, 2020 19:02:47 GMT -5
Good, why should we celebrate our opponents. Bet the people wishing to keep it would have a different opinion if it was Viet Cong soldiers or Ho Chi Minh or Saddam or Jane Fonda or a tribute to the ss. Maybe I’m just dense but how were the blacks the ones who really lost with the civil war? Nfalls, the blacks(slaves) were the real loosers in the sense that they went from an ordered society where they were subject to a whipping or being sold for misbehavior(contrary to popular belief slaves were not mistreated as a rule(would you damage an asset?) to being subject to lynching, shot etc with no real gain in rights as free men. One needs to understand reconstruction which took a lot of years and never really got the former slaves the same rights as the white people in the south. It was still going on in the 60's(segregation). It takes a lot of reading. A bit of trivia--- Yankee  U.S. Grant came from a strong abolitionist family, none of whom attended his wedding, he married the daughter of a plantation slave owner, owned one slave(whom he later freed) and fought against several friends who attended his wedding and became Condederate generals---for the preservation of the Union. Lincoln freed the slaves against his own judgment which is in writing. (He wanted to win the election) The South did fight for the preservation of their society and not states rights as our school books taught us. There were free blacks who owned slaves. Steve |
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Post by swetz on Jun 6, 2020 19:45:18 GMT -5
Good, why should we celebrate our opponents. Bet the people wishing to keep it would have a different opinion if it was Viet Cong soldiers or Ho Chi Minh or Saddam or Jane Fonda or a tribute to the ss. Maybe I’m just dense but how were the blacks the ones who really lost with the civil war? Nfalls, the blacks(slaves) were the real loosers in the sense that they went from an ordered society where they were subject to a whipping or being sold for misbehavior(contrary to popular belief slaves were not mistreated as a rule(would you damage an asset?) to being subject to lynching, shot etc with no real gain in rights as free men. One needs to understand reconstruction which took a lot of years and never really got the former slaves the same rights as the white people in the south. It was still going on in the 60's(segregation). It takes a lot of reading. A bit of trivia--- Yankee U.S. Grant came from a strong abolitionist family, none of whom attended his wedding, he married the daughter of a plantation slave owner, owned one slave(whom he later freed) and fought against several friends who attended his wedding and became Condederate generals---for the preservation of the Union. Lincoln freed the slaves against his own judgment which is in writing. (He wanted to win the election) The South did fight for the preservation of their society and not states rights as our school books taught us. There were free blacks who owned slaves. Steve So you're saying they were better off as someone's property to be raped, separated from their family at their master's whim, and whipped because society was "ordered"? |
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Post by nfalls116 on Jun 6, 2020 19:52:54 GMT -5
Good, why should we celebrate our opponents. Bet the people wishing to keep it would have a different opinion if it was Viet Cong soldiers or Ho Chi Minh or Saddam or Jane Fonda or a tribute to the ss. Maybe I’m just dense but how were the blacks the ones who really lost with the civil war? Nfalls, the blacks(slaves) were the real loosers in the sense that they went from an ordered society where they were subject to a whipping or being sold for misbehavior(contrary to popular belief slaves were not mistreated as a rule(would you damage an asset?) to being subject to lynching, shot etc with no real gain in rights as free men. One needs to understand reconstruction which took a lot of years and never really got the former slaves the same rights as the white people in the south. It was still going on in the 60's(segregation). It takes a lot of reading. A bit of trivia--- Yankee U.S. Grant came from a strong abolitionist family, none of whom attended his wedding, he married the daughter of a plantation slave owner, owned one slave(whom he later freed) and fought against several friends who attended his wedding and became Condederate generals---for the preservation of the Union. Lincoln freed the slaves against his own judgment which is in writing. (He wanted to win the election) The South did fight for the preservation of their society and not states rights as our school books taught us. There were free blacks who owned slaves. Steve Oh I get it being owned sold and bartered has to be better. I bet you can ask anyone who has been enslaved and they would prefer to not be owned and controlled. You ever see how happy people are to retire? |
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Post by boman on Jun 6, 2020 20:06:36 GMT -5
Nfalls, the blacks(slaves) were the real loosers in the sense that they went from an ordered society where they were subject to a whipping or being sold for misbehavior(contrary to popular belief slaves were not mistreated as a rule(would you damage an asset?) to being subject to lynching, shot etc with no real gain in rights as free men. One needs to understand reconstruction which took a lot of years and never really got the former slaves the same rights as the white people in the south. It was still going on in the 60's(segregation). It takes a lot of reading. A bit of trivia--- Yankee U.S. Grant came from a strong abolitionist family, none of whom attended his wedding, he married the daughter of a plantation slave owner, owned one slave(whom he later freed) and fought against several friends who attended his wedding and became Condederate generals---for the preservation of the Union. Lincoln freed the slaves against his own judgment which is in writing. (He wanted to win the election) The South did fight for the preservation of their society and not states rights as our school books taught us. There were free blacks who owned slaves. Steve So you're saying they were better off as someone's property to be raped, separated from their family at their master's whim, and whipped because society was "ordered"? Oh I get it being owned sold and bartered has to be better. I bet you can ask anyone who has been enslaved and they would prefer to not be owned and controlled. You ever see how happy people are to retire? Nope not saying either thing---just saying there's way more to it than right or wrong. Not sure where this came from but Yes, I'm more than happy being retired, was fortunate enough to retire at 55, I'm 70 now. Steve |
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U.S. Grant came from a strong abolitionist family, none of whom attended his wedding, he married the daughter of a plantation slave owner, owned one slave(whom he later freed) and fought against several friends who attended his wedding and became Condederate generals---for the preservation of the Union.