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Post by greghopper on Feb 11, 2020 12:09:18 GMT -5
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 11, 2020 12:24:43 GMT -5
With the mentality change we've seen occurring in the deer community this isn't terribly shocking. Mix in the fact most if any rarely hunt actually with the SOLE motive being to provide food (eliminating any motive behind how or what type of deer that meat is attached to) and it only makes sense.
I see it as an encouraging trait, IF folks don't merely blindly substitute their harvest over to an antlerless deer instead of a yearling buck IF doe numbers are lacking in their specific areas.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 11, 2020 13:55:47 GMT -5
As I have maintained and stated deer hunters are getting older, more experienced and a lot more selective.
Some people say it is all the OBR but other states with a multiple buck limits are achieving the same, if not better, results than Indiana.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 11, 2020 14:29:39 GMT -5
Forget who said it but remember the phrase "It is rare a hunter grows old killing yearlings" I think you're 100% right Woody and I should have included that as the average age of hunters increases it is only natural their selection choices change as well.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 11, 2020 16:04:03 GMT -5
As I have maintained and stated deer hunters are getting older, more experienced and a lot more selective. Some people say it is all the OBR but other states with a multiple buck limits are achieving the same, if not better, results than Indiana. While that maybe true..... The OBR has certainly been a GREAT management tool for the state, followed closely by crossbows and Rifles. IMO |
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Post by varmint101 on Feb 12, 2020 8:52:44 GMT -5
I don’t see more OR bigger bucks in my area because of OBR. I think like Woody says it’s more on the aging/maturing hunters than anything.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 12, 2020 9:53:41 GMT -5
To discredit any factor entirely or claim one factor is the sole reason entirely are both in my personal opinion an ignorant place to stand in the mud.
-OBR is a factor.
I personally know folks (would raise my own hand) that their decisions are influenced by having one buck tag or two. I have a reduction zone property...and with a qualifying antlerless harvest I experience two tags some years possible and know I'm a little looser with selection because of this.
-Aging Hunters is a factor.
Shoot...I'm not even old and my personal decisions on harvesting have changes substantially from when I first started out...even in the last 10 years I've honed it down quite a bit personally.
-The management and/or trophy mindset in the hunting community.
We all consume to an extent articles, web shows, tv shows, speakers, podcasts and more which arguably the majority are from folks that shoot maturer bucks or target maturer bucks. It naturally has played a factor as well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 10:04:12 GMT -5
One thing left out is the education of the identity of a BB and a doe. Older hunters experience seeing BB's and Doe's over the years makes it easier to identify on long distance deer. Most are now educated to shoot does, not BBs.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 12, 2020 10:19:52 GMT -5
To discredit any factor entirely or claim one factor is the sole reason entirely are both in my personal opinion an ignorant place to stand in the mud. -OBR is a factor.I personally know folks (would raise my own hand) that their decisions are influenced by having one buck tag or two. I have a reduction zone property...and with a qualifying antlerless harvest I experience two tags some years possible and know I'm a little looser with selection because of this. -Aging Hunters is a factor.Shoot...I'm not even old and my personal decisions on harvesting have changes substantially from when I first started out...even in the last 10 years I've honed it down quite a bit personally. -The management and/or trophy mindset in the hunting community.We all consume to an extent articles, web shows, tv shows, speakers, podcasts and more which arguably the majority are from folks that shoot maturer bucks or target maturer bucks. It naturally has played a factor as well. I agree...... So at what age are you calling a buck maturer ? Any deer that’s not a yearly? |
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Post by greghopper on Feb 12, 2020 10:28:40 GMT -5
One thing left out is the education of the identity of a BB and a doe. Older hunters experience seeing BB's and Doe's over the years makes it easier to identify on long distance deer. Most are now educated to shoot does, not BBs. {From the report} “Meanwhile, the national antlerless deer harvest was lower than the buck harvest for the second year in a row, at 2,881,168. Modern antlerless harvests first surpassed the buck harvest in the 1999 season and remained higher for 17 consecutive seasons until 2017.” |
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 12, 2020 10:44:02 GMT -5
To discredit any factor entirely or claim one factor is the sole reason entirely are both in my personal opinion an ignorant place to stand in the mud. -OBR is a factor.I personally know folks (would raise my own hand) that their decisions are influenced by having one buck tag or two. I have a reduction zone property...and with a qualifying antlerless harvest I experience two tags some years possible and know I'm a little looser with selection because of this. -Aging Hunters is a factor.Shoot...I'm not even old and my personal decisions on harvesting have changes substantially from when I first started out...even in the last 10 years I've honed it down quite a bit personally. -The management and/or trophy mindset in the hunting community.We all consume to an extent articles, web shows, tv shows, speakers, podcasts and more which arguably the majority are from folks that shoot maturer bucks or target maturer bucks. It naturally has played a factor as well. I agree...... So at what age are you calling a buck maturer ? Any deer that’s not a yearly? I purposely used the word maturer to avoid having to attempt to define mature LOL. Most presented media centers around at minimum 2 1/2s or older...many at that 4 1/2 or P&Y level caliber or age is all I meant. |
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 12, 2020 10:45:19 GMT -5
One thing left out is the education of the identity of a BB and a doe. Older hunters experience seeing BB's and Doe's over the years makes it easier to identify on long distance deer. Most are now educated to shoot does, not BBs. I believe the studies would not be skewed by BB harvests as those are registered as antlerless or fawns in records, not as yearlings. |
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Post by jjas on Feb 12, 2020 11:18:30 GMT -5
One thing left out is the education of the identity of a BB and a doe. Older hunters experience seeing BB's and Doe's over the years makes it easier to identify on long distance deer. Most are now educated to shoot does, not BBs. BB are reported to make up about 10% of the total harvest and that figure has been pretty steady for years. This past season that number was reported to be 11,108. |
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Post by greghopper on Feb 12, 2020 11:23:19 GMT -5
One thing left out is the education of the identity of a BB and a doe. Older hunters experience seeing BB's and Doe's over the years makes it easier to identify on long distance deer. Most are now educated to shoot does, not BBs. BB are reported to make up about 10% of the total harvest and that figure has been pretty steady for years. This past season that number was reported to be 11,108. Lowest in a long time.... at least 5 years |
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Post by jjas on Feb 12, 2020 11:47:36 GMT -5
BB are reported to make up about 10% of the total harvest and that figure has been pretty steady for years. This past season that number was reported to be 11,108. Lowest in a long time.... at least 5 years I agree the actual numbers are down a bit, but I'd be more impressed if the numbers were lower on a percentage of total harvest. |
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Post by greghopper on Feb 12, 2020 11:52:16 GMT -5
I agree...... So at what age are you calling a buck maturer ? Any deer that’s not a yearly? I purposely used the word maturer to avoid having to attempt to define mature LOL. Most presented media centers around at minimum 2 1/2s or older...many at that 4 1/2 or P&Y level caliber or age is all I meant. A yearling is an animal between its 1st and 2nd birthdays. We say yearling deer are 1½ years old because that's their approximate age during hunting season. A fawn is under 1 year of age. I grew up hearing "yearling" used in fall to refer to fawns, but they're not the same. |
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 12, 2020 11:53:05 GMT -5
I purposely used the word maturer to avoid having to attempt to define mature LOL. Most presented media centers around at minimum 2 1/2s or older...many at that 4 1/2 or P&Y level caliber or age is all I meant. A yearling is an animal between its 1st and 2nd birthdays. We say yearling deer are 1½ years old because that's their approximate age during hunting season. A fawn is under 1 year of age. I grew up hearing "yearling" used in fall to refer to fawns, but they're not the same. Did you mean to quote me or someone else, I agree 100% with everything you stated. |
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Post by greghopper on Feb 12, 2020 12:12:32 GMT -5
Just helping to set the time line.... that’s all!
I agree with all you statements also.
Most BB are usually a fawn....
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Feb 12, 2020 12:18:28 GMT -5
I have conflicted feelings on shooting button bucks. On one hand, shooting a button over a female has a lesser effect on deer numbers. On the other hand, you only get about 1/2 the meat from a button as you would a mature doe.
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Post by jjas on Feb 12, 2020 12:42:11 GMT -5
I have conflicted feelings on shooting button bucks. On one hand, shooting a button over a female has a lesser effect on deer numbers. On the other hand, you only get about 1/2 the meat from a button as you would a mature doe. I've read arguments about killing buttons and doe fawns and why some think it's a good idea, but I've never pulled the trigger on a button or a doe fawn. To me, it boils down to little challenge for little meat. And before some on here go nuts...I know it's legal and I say more power to you if that's what you choose to kill. It's just not my deal... |
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