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Post by span870 on Jan 22, 2019 14:00:14 GMT -5
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Post by jbird on Jan 22, 2019 16:39:49 GMT -5
Would have been a more interesting release to Hoosiers back when they allowed the PCR, but not the HPR's... May still get some folks excited (but that's a lot smaller crowd now), but I don't hunt public ground so I'll stick with my 30-30 and 308.
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Post by Sasquatch on Jan 22, 2019 16:53:38 GMT -5
More options is always a good thing I suppose.
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Post by span870 on Jan 22, 2019 18:03:46 GMT -5
Would have been a more interesting release to Hoosiers back when they allowed the PCR, but not the HPR's... May still get some folks excited (but that's a lot smaller crowd now), but I don't hunt public ground so I'll stick with my 30-30 and 308. Pretty sure they are pushing for states that passed only straight wall and some that have restricted use areas and a choice over the 450 Bushmaster with way less recoil. |
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Post by js2397 on Jan 22, 2019 18:29:20 GMT -5
I like it, may get one for my public land hunts. It would be perfect for Big Oaks.
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Post by firstwd on Jan 22, 2019 20:28:57 GMT -5
How does it compare to the 357 Max or 44 Mag?
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Post by jjas on Jan 22, 2019 21:02:03 GMT -5
How does it compare to the 357 Max or 44 Mag? According to Winchester... A 150 grain bullet starts out @ 2325 fps and generates 1800 ft lbs of energy. At 100 yards it's 1968 fps and 1289 ft lbs of energy. At 200 yards it's 1647 fps and 903 ft lbs of energy. A .357 maximum @ 158 grains starts out @ 1,998 fps and generates 1401 ft lbs of energy. |
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Post by swilk on Jan 23, 2019 7:58:16 GMT -5
If its accurate, easy on the shoulder and cheap to shoot .... what is there not to like?
Love it.
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 23, 2019 8:35:25 GMT -5
I may need a new AR upper
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Post by jimstc on Jan 23, 2019 15:39:02 GMT -5
I hunted all season with a 450 Bushmaster on an AR platform. Dialing it in was painless. What recoil? After hunting with 12 gauge slugs it feels like a .22. To each his or her own.....
Recoil is similar to a 20 gauge or .50 muzzleleoader. If that is too much recoil you may just want to hunt rabbits with a .410. LOL!
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Post by esshup on Jan 23, 2019 19:56:01 GMT -5
I hunted all season with a 450 Bushmaster on an AR platform. Dialing it in was painless. What recoil? After hunting with 12 gauge slugs it feels like a .22. To each his or her own..... Recoil is similar to a 20 gauge or .50 muzzleleoader. If that is too much recoil you may just want to hunt rabbits with a .410. LOL! I bought one, dialed it in and all I shot with it this year was paper. |
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Post by span870 on Jan 24, 2019 7:45:58 GMT -5
I hunted all season with a 450 Bushmaster on an AR platform. Dialing it in was painless. What recoil? After hunting with 12 gauge slugs it feels like a .22. To each his or her own..... Recoil is similar to a 20 gauge or .50 muzzleleoader. If that is too much recoil you may just want to hunt rabbits with a .410. LOL! Recoil doesn't bother me at all but falls under, why for me. Same reason I use a 20ga for turkey. Also think that this round would be a great youth rifle. I've made zero doubt about my complete hatred of the .243 for anything larger than a gopher (complete exaggeration). Larger bullet available and more energy with less recoil. The .450 is a interesting round and I was completely intrigued by it but if you don't reload you are very limited on round choices unless you step up to black butterfly rounds and they real proud of them. This round claims .50 - .60 cents a round. At $2+ a round .450 is a bit pricey on plinking. Takes skill to use a .410 as well as the bigger rounds. |
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Post by jimstc on Jan 24, 2019 7:56:09 GMT -5
I hunted all season with a 450 Bushmaster on an AR platform. Dialing it in was painless. What recoil? After hunting with 12 gauge slugs it feels like a .22. To each his or her own..... Recoil is similar to a 20 gauge or .50 muzzleleoader. If that is too much recoil you may just want to hunt rabbits with a .410. LOL! Recoil doesn't bother me at all but falls under, why for me. Same reason I use a 20ga for turkey. Also think that this round would be a great youth rifle. I've made zero doubt about my complete hatred of the .243 for anything larger than a gopher (complete exaggeration). Larger bullet available and more energy with less recoil. The .450 is a interesting round and I was completely intrigued by it but if you don't reload you are very limited on round choices unless you step up to black butterfly rounds and they real proud of them. This round claims .50 - .60 cents a round. At $2+ a round .450 is a bit pricey on plinking. Takes skill to use a .410 as well as the bigger rounds. Not even close to $2+ a round. Never considered plinking with a .450. |
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Post by span870 on Jan 24, 2019 8:07:54 GMT -5
Don't know what ammo you're looking at but most hunting rounds for the .450 are $1.50 - $2 a round. Wasn't implying that anyone would plink with it. My point I'm trying to make is the cheaper the ammo the more apt you are to put more rounds down range. More rifle time better shooting ability.
I'm not taking anything away from the .450. Its a great round but more options can't be bad. I have no doubt I'll end up getting a encore barrel in the .450 but I think this will have a place in my safe too.
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Post by esshup on Jan 24, 2019 10:54:00 GMT -5
Recoil doesn't bother me at all but falls under, why for me. Same reason I use a 20ga for turkey. Also think that this round would be a great youth rifle. I've made zero doubt about my complete hatred of the .243 for anything larger than a gopher (complete exaggeration). Larger bullet available and more energy with less recoil. The .450 is a interesting round and I was completely intrigued by it but if you don't reload you are very limited on round choices unless you step up to black butterfly rounds and they real proud of them. This round claims .50 - .60 cents a round. At $2+ a round .450 is a bit pricey on plinking. Takes skill to use a .410 as well as the bigger rounds. Not even close to $2+ a round. Never considered plinking with a .450. Either they don't have anything for the .450 BM, or do you have to be a "member" to see what is available? I searched and came up with nothing. |
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Post by omegahunter on Jan 24, 2019 10:59:36 GMT -5
How does it compare to the 357 Max or 44 Mag? According to Winchester... A 150 grain bullet starts out @ 2325 fps and generates 1800 ft lbs of energy. At 100 yards it's 1968 fps and 1289 ft lbs of energy. At 200 yards it's 1647 fps and 903 ft lbs of energy. A .357 maximum @ 158 grains starts out @ 1,998 fps and generates 1401 ft lbs of energy. If that was all according to Winchester then they are quoting rifle ballistics for the Legend and pistol ballistics for the Maximum. The two will be virtually identical when shot from matching barrel lengths. |
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Post by jimstc on Jan 24, 2019 11:43:32 GMT -5
Either they don't have anything for the .450 BM, or do you have to be a "member" to see what is available? I searched and came up with nothing. Not sure why the link didn't work. When you get to the main page, click on rifle and then select the caliber. There are 78 offerings ranging from $1.01 per round to $3.57 per round. I bought three different selections all at around $1.20 per round: Hornady Black 250gr FTX, Winchester Deer Season XP 250gr Extreme Point, Hornady Custom 250gr FTX. Anyone of these have the velocity and energy to kill white tails. As an example the ballistics for the Winchester are Muzzle: 2200 fps/2686 ke, 100 yards: 1834 fps/1867 ke, 200 yards 1514 fps/ 1272 ke |
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Post by jimstc on Jan 24, 2019 11:55:12 GMT -5
Don't know what ammo you're looking at but most hunting rounds for the .450 are $1.50 - $2 a round. Wasn't implying that anyone would plink with it. My point I'm trying to make is the cheaper the ammo the more apt you are to put more rounds down range. More rifle time better shooting ability. I'm not taking anything away from the .450. Its a great round but more options can't be bad. I have no doubt I'll end up getting a encore barrel in the .450 but I think this will have a place in my safe too. Don't know what you are looking at either. There are at least 30 quality offerings at less than $1.20 per round. I don't plink with any of my hunting rifles. Prior to each season I check for zero and I am done. I don't need to put scoped hunting rifle ammo down range to make my shooting better. That is a waste of time and money, at least to me. |
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Post by 36fan on Jan 24, 2019 12:07:09 GMT -5
This sounded very similar to a .357 maximum, so I checked the specs: .357 maximum Bullet diameter .357 in (9.1 mm) Case length 1.605 in (40.8 mm) Overall length 1.990 in (50.5 mm) 350 Legend bullet diameter is .357 in case length 1.71 in Then I found some pictures and realized this new round is rimless, and it essentially uses a .223 case that isn't necked down.  |
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Post by js2397 on Jan 24, 2019 12:29:14 GMT -5
I thought it was a straightened .223.
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