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Post by thecommissioner on Mar 12, 2018 19:32:08 GMT -5
I couldn't believe all the emphasis in the survey on measuring attitudes about CWD and how much faith we have in the IDNR to manage it. What do they know that we don't know???
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Post by js2397 on Mar 12, 2018 19:33:20 GMT -5
My opinions post survey: -If the DNR cared about CWD they would have taken a stronger stance against High Fences years ago.. so should have other States. -After witnessing the DNR's mis management of TB in Franklin county, then using it again this past year to hit the herd yet again....precedent is set they will target the whole herd with tongue in cheek tactics under the CWD umbrella. -How many different ways can they ask the question about using Sharpshooters. -They think the only reason people hunt is for horns, they hint to a spread restriction. -The fact they ask if you trust the DNR over and over is telling -They should have had a comments section as I don't believe they call the shots anymore and are becoming a puppet of the general assembly. I.e. Rifles. Part of survey validity is to ask the same question in different ways to make sure they are answered the same way.
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Post by medic22 on Mar 12, 2018 19:52:26 GMT -5
I got one but I havent done it yet. I have a hard time answering the questions about trophy deer. I have a differing opinion of what a trophy deer is and the questions are geared toward antlers.
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Post by firstwd on Mar 12, 2018 20:02:45 GMT -5
Indiana doesn't care about LTL owners that live out of State. It terminated my survey after what resident do you live. I put I don't live in Indiana. I guess IDNR does not want my money in the State. I guess IDNR doesn't care about the small business that I help support all year long. Technically speaking, non residents can't legally hunt with a lifetime license. Yes I know it has been allowed for years, but if you read the back of the license it states that it is in lieu of Resident Licenses. While it is good as long as you are alive, once you move out of state it is no longer valid.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 12, 2018 20:26:14 GMT -5
Indiana doesn't care about LTL owners that live out of State. It terminated my survey after what resident do you live. I put I don't live in Indiana. I guess IDNR does not want my money in the State. I guess IDNR doesn't care about the small business that I help support all year long. Technically speaking, non residents can't legally hunt with a lifetime license. Yes I know it has been allowed for years, but if you read the back of the license it states that it is in lieu of Resident Licenses. While it is good as long as you are alive, once you move out of state it is no longer valid. So the IDNR has been letting out of state lifetime license holder's hunt illegally all this time? <EDIT<
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 12, 2018 20:37:06 GMT -5
The back of the license is not the law as written.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 12, 2018 20:42:56 GMT -5
Thanks..... Glad someone else see's it correctly
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 12, 2018 21:12:48 GMT -5
The back of the license is not the law as written. This is what I was explained. Was presented the code governing this but do not remember it presently.
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 12, 2018 21:13:48 GMT -5
Indiana doesn't care about LTL owners that live out of State. It terminated my survey after what resident do you live. I put I don't live in Indiana. I guess IDNR does not want my money in the State. I guess IDNR doesn't care about the small business that I help support all year long. Email Joe, my bet this is something overlooked which would bump it.
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Post by firstwd on Mar 13, 2018 3:23:00 GMT -5
The back of the license is not the law as written. This is what I was explained. Was presented the code governing this but do not remember it presently. I've never seen the code, just the license. Then again, the rules for state park hunts say residents only and non-residents have been allowed for as long as I can remember too.
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Post by duff on Mar 13, 2018 4:14:20 GMT -5
The survey was too long with way too many questions on cwd and similar questions.
I certainly felt the questions were leading to a predetermined conclusion. They will use the data to support the changes.
We shall see...
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Post by greghopper on Mar 13, 2018 6:22:51 GMT -5
The back of the license is not the law as written. This is what I was explained. Was presented the code governing this but do not remember it presently. That's how the system works...... the IDNR just don't decide which rules they want to inforce and then let other just break the laws they want! Not really sure why anyone would imply any different! Scary at best...
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Post by greghopper on Mar 13, 2018 6:50:18 GMT -5
If anyone that is doing the survey could you see what percent you are at when the CWD questions start there is a percent guide at to of survey page.
Seems some are saying that half the questions are about CWD it didn't look that way to me.
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Post by tenring on Mar 13, 2018 7:18:24 GMT -5
So, I went to the site, checked the entries, it was confirmed that I am in the system, everything was kosher. When do I get the survey? What's the hold up other than it's a governmental organization?
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 13, 2018 7:23:47 GMT -5
So, I went to the site, checked the entries, it was confirmed that I am in the system, everything was kosher. When do I get the survey? What's the hold up other than it's a governmental organization? Few things...I myself got mine very late last night, mass emails can take a while. However, also be sure to search trash and spam or any other folder in your email for it...some have had settings push it out of main inbox I know.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Mar 13, 2018 7:31:27 GMT -5
It sure was a lot longer then I expected and so many questions worded differently. Lots on cwd too.
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Post by freedomhunter on Mar 13, 2018 8:09:49 GMT -5
A ton of questions about CWD, I'm only moderately educated about the cause and effect so I couldn't answer some of the questions yay or nay
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Mar 13, 2018 8:15:49 GMT -5
The survey was too long with way too many questions on cwd and similar questions. I certainly felt the questions were leading to a predetermined conclusion. They will use the data to support the changes. We shall see... I got the same feeling. I ended up answering "unsure" on several of them, because I felt that any of the other options could be easily construed to take on a different meaning.
Example - paraphrasing - "Should IDNR increase harvest if deer-vehicle collisions increase?"
In some cases, sure, it might mean that deer #s are increasing in those areas. It might also mean that there's just a whole lot more drivers coming through a county than there used to be, like the I-69 project. I don't necessarily think the deer herd should get hammered because more drivers are suddenly being funneled through those counties. But I feel that if you say that deer-car collisions should play no role in setting harvest limits, your input will be discounted as being unreasonable.
The CWD questions also felt like you were being backed into one of 2 corners, either you wanna wipe 'em all out or you're a CWD denier. I really think the only practical approach is to do like the western states, limit transportation of deer spinal and brain matter and offer optional CWD testing for hunter harvested deer. The survey touched on CWD sampling, but I got the feeling that they meant testing would be used pretty much to determine what locations to bring in the sharp-shooters.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Mar 13, 2018 8:18:18 GMT -5
I gave the DNR a 90% on deer management in my county and a 85% overall. I hate to say it though, by the end of the survey I think I had less trust in the DNR than I had when going into it.
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Post by chewbacca on Mar 13, 2018 8:19:53 GMT -5
The survey was too long with way too many questions on cwd and similar questions. I certainly felt the questions were leading to a predetermined conclusion. They will use the data to support the changes. We shall see... I got the same feeling. I ended up answering "unsure" on several of them, because I felt that any of the other options could be easily construed to take on a different meaning.
Example - paraphrasing - "Should IDNR increase harvest if deer-vehicle collisions increase?"
In some cases, sure, it might mean that deer #s are increasing in those areas. It might also mean that there's just a whole lot more drivers coming through a county than there used to be, like the I-69 project. I don't necessarily think the deer herd should get hammered because more drivers are suddenly being funneled through those counties. But I feel that if you say that deer-car collisions should play no role in setting harvest limits, your input will be discounted as being unreasonable.
The CWD questions also felt like you were being backed into one of 2 corners, either you wanna wipe 'em all out or you're a CWD denier. I really think the only practical approach is to do like the western states, limit transportation of deer spinal and brain matter and offer optional CWD testing for hunter harvested deer. The survey touched on CWD sampling, but I got the feeling that they meant testing would be used pretty much to determine what locations to bring in the sharp-shooters.
I just completed my survey and I agree with you guys 100%.
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