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Post by jackryan on Sept 4, 2017 10:50:59 GMT -5
I'd like to see Indiana modify their baiting laws to be a little more honest about it, take it more seriously. One of the TV shows my wife likes is North Woods Law so I wind up watching it. Through that I've learned a little more than I care about Maine and the north east game laws. I'm not impressed with much BUT they have serious deer and wild game baiting rules.
It is just astounding the numbers of liars, cheats and poachers there are in Indiana and this adaptation would put a clear cut end to this nod and a wink to big box stores sales of feeders and these phony pretenders "feeding the wild life" during the most plentiful natural food seasons of the year. If a deer can't survive September in Indiana with out a corn pile hand out in the Lawrence county woods they deserve to die.
The thing I like about it is removing the ambiguity and cat and mouse game of "I'm not gonna hunt over it.", "Well my neighbor put that out there.", "That trail doesn't go past my tree stand." "What if I didn't know it was there?" "Can I dump a corn pile on PUBLIC LAND?/ PRIVATE LAND?".
It's just cut and dried, September to December it's hunting seasons. YOU CAN'T CARRY IT OUT THERE. They are WILD animals, YOU CAN'T FEED THEM. THEY AREN'T PETS. Not just to see them. Not just to "get 'em coming in here". Learn to hunt, not raise zoo animals.
Now if you are an animal lover lefty, when they are REALLY starving, when they might REALLY need food to survive, when it's REALLY cold, WHEN HUNTING SEASONS ARE OVER, you can carry all the corn and apples you want out there and feed 'em IN JANUARY when hunting seasons are over.
It's Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec There's a pile of corn, there's YOUR camera, HERE is your ticket. Clean it up.
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Post by beermaker on Sept 4, 2017 11:52:07 GMT -5
I'm with you on this Jack. By the way, what a good show. It was one of my favorites until I changed my cable subscription and lost it. It doesn't take too many episodes to wander why southerners get the reputation of being a bunch of backwards hill jacks, yet you never hear about the rednecks from Maine?
Baiting is baiting, plain and simple. Training deer to come out and eat syrup coated apples and acorns is about as lazy and petty as it can get, in my opinion. I, however, don't have any problem whatsoever with hunting over food plots. And no, I don't have any plots and have never utilized one myself. Food plots take time, money, effort, etc. and continue to supplement feeding long after the season is over. I have been told by more than one person that if you don't do it right, you are wasting all of your efforts and resources.
If you want to bait deer, go buy a $300 KY license. Although, that's what I used to tell guys that whined about no HPR's in IN...
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Post by firstwd on Sept 4, 2017 12:22:33 GMT -5
Indiana should be the day after the close of deer season to July 31 is the only legal deer feeding time. Everything else should be a huge fine. Honestly, I feel the same about food plots. They aren't normal farming practices and aren't permanent mast producing trees, they are simply location grown bait piles.
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Post by INhuntin on Sept 4, 2017 12:47:14 GMT -5
Right! Baiting & food plots are for lazy hunters. There plenty of mast trees (soft & hard) out there to hunt under.
There are watering holes & creeks to hunt by, learn the land & how deer use it.
There is no need to teach the deer to come running when you shake a corn bag.
Educate your self about the natural activities of prey you hunt & try to become a better hunter.
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Post by bill9068 on Sept 4, 2017 12:53:42 GMT -5
So would a man placed rubbing post be considered baiting? It wasn't there naturally and its placed to draw in game.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 13:07:08 GMT -5
So would a man placed rubbing post be considered baiting? It wasn't there naturally and its placed to draw in game. I would say so, bait is generally described as something that draws in your desired target, food or not. |
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Post by bill9068 on Sept 4, 2017 13:15:13 GMT -5
So would a man placed rubbing post be considered baiting? It wasn't there naturally and its placed to draw in game. I would say so, bait is generally described as something that draws in your desired target, food or not. Ok, then lets take It one step further, how about mock scrapes, doe estrus scent placed In area, these are all used to bring in game? |
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Sept 4, 2017 13:18:31 GMT -5
It's popcorn time!!
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Post by Pinoc on Sept 4, 2017 13:51:52 GMT -5
I thought baiting had to be something that the animal would eat? Placed in a way to aid in taking of game?
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Post by bill9068 on Sept 4, 2017 14:16:34 GMT -5
I'm not trying to rile anyone up, im just asking cause we all have different ideas on what baiting is. I have a food plot and a rubbing post. But I've killed deer back in the 70s before any scents and hunting gizmos were available to the everyday hunter. From personal experience I can say its easier today to see deer compared to then. So I guess the food plot is a cheating tool to bring deer in. The other things I mentioned, mock scrapes, scents, I dont use cause I'm to cheap to buy them. The laws tells us what is legal so thats what we need to follow.
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 4, 2017 14:19:19 GMT -5
That sounds like bait to me!!  . |
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Post by swilk on Sept 4, 2017 14:32:44 GMT -5
Right! Baiting & food plots are for lazy hunters. There plenty of mast trees (soft & hard) out there to hunt under. There are watering holes & creeks to hunt by, learn the land & how deer use it. There is no need to teach the deer to come running when you shake a corn bag. Educate your self about the natural activities of prey you hunt & try to become a better hunter. Lol....food plots are for lazy hunters. Who knew being lazy was so much work! Lol. |
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Post by featherduster on Sept 4, 2017 14:39:43 GMT -5
Wait for it............wait for it...........
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Post by antiwheeze on Sept 4, 2017 14:41:23 GMT -5
I'm not trying to rile anyone up, im just asking cause we all have different ideas on what baiting is. I have a food plot and a rubbing post. But I've killed deer back in the 70s before any scents and hunting gizmos were available to the everyday hunter. From personal experience I can say its easier today to see deer compared to then. So I guess the food plot is a cheating tool to bring deer in. The other things I mentioned, mock scrapes, scents, I dont use cause I'm to cheap to buy them. The laws talks us what is legal so thats what we need to follow. The only money I have in mock scrapes is my time. I pee freely (and more often over 50).😉 Might spent a few bucks on wire when I put out our first horizontal rub. Waiting till we get a velvet shedding pic. |
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Post by bill9068 on Sept 4, 2017 14:44:57 GMT -5
Wait for it ...........wait for it........... Kinda like fishing In your favorite spot, hookem and reelem IN. |
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Sept 4, 2017 14:49:06 GMT -5
I stopped putting out salt several years ago, because it's practically impossible to remove all the affected soil. I do put out corn in the summer to get trail cam pics. It all has to be gone 10 days before you hunt over it, and a bag of corn is usually gone in 2.
It's funny to see how different folks' backgrounds and traditions mold their perception of ethics and fair chase.
In Montana, it's illegal to run trail cams during hunting season. Lighted knocks are illegal in Colorado. Crossbows are still not allowed in most western states. Many hunters in those states feel that the use of these pieces of equipment give an unfair advantage and are for "lazy" hunters.
Some think HPRs are for lazy hunters. Others feel it's unethical to use an inferior weapon.
Many think that anyone who sits in a tree and waits for an animal to come to them is a lazy slob.
Anyone who uses an ATV is a lazy slob.
Baiting is for lazy slob.
Party hunting is for slobs.
Hunting with dogs is for slobs.
Paying for a lease is for slobs.
Shooting does is for slobs. Shooting young bucks is for slobs. Trophy hunting is for slobs.
Landowner tags are for slobs. Support the resource.
Depradation tags are for slobs.
Anyone that takes their deer to a processor is not a real man.
It is amazing though, that when a new weapon/tactic/season is legalized, how many whiners immediately jump on that bandwagon.
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Post by antiwheeze on Sept 4, 2017 14:55:13 GMT -5
Mineral stumps (google it) may be the next salt block alternative.
FYI several if not all Indiana F&W areas have food plots such as standing corn, sunflowers, clover and beans.
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Post by buckone1 on Sept 4, 2017 15:05:37 GMT -5
I put out food plots and trace mineral salt blocks on my property. I don't hunt on my property but on gov. land adjacent to it.
I hope that don't make me a bad guy or law breaker.
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Post by hornzilla on Sept 4, 2017 15:40:49 GMT -5
I stopped putting out salt several years ago, because it's practically impossible to remove all the affected soil. I do put out corn in the summer to get trail cam pics. It all has to be gone 10 days before you hunt over it, and a bag of corn is usually gone in 2. It's funny to see how different folks' backgrounds and traditions mold their perception of ethics and fair chase. In Montana, it's illegal to run trail cams during hunting season. Lighted knocks are illegal in Colorado. Crossbows are still not allowed in most western states. Many hunters in those states feel that the use of these pieces of equipment give an unfair advantage and are for "lazy" hunters. Some think HPRs are for lazy hunters. Others feel it's unethical to use an inferior weapon. Many think that anyone who sits in a tree and waits for an animal to come to them is a lazy slob. Anyone who uses an ATV is a lazy slob. Baiting is for lazy slob. Party hunting is for slobs. Hunting with dogs is for slobs. Paying for a lease is for slobs. Shooting does is for slobs. Shooting young bucks is for slobs. Trophy hunting is for slobs. Landowner tags are for slobs. Support the resource. Depradation tags are for slobs. Anyone that takes their deer to a processor is not a real man. It is amazing though, that when a new weapon/tactic/season is legalized, how many whiners immediately jump on that bandwagon. It's because there is so many people that think if it's not done MY WAY it's wrong. People just get out in the great Outdoors and enjoy your time. After all life is way to short. I will ask one question for you all to think about. Most bears are killed over bait. And most think it's a normal practice. Why is the deer so much different? |
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Post by firstwd on Sept 4, 2017 15:57:57 GMT -5
I'm not saying baiting is right or wrong. I'm saying I feel food plots are equal to bait. Yes, I understand the fundamental difference. The baiting law in Indiana is gray at a minimum and needs extreme clarification.
Maybe my recent experience with officer discretion has made me a bit bitter, but my feelings on food plots comes from the Federal laws I've followed from waterfowl hunting.
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