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Post by greghopper on Dec 6, 2016 13:41:33 GMT -5
Ty...All that is good info but you some how left out all the changes we have had over that period of time...... Thus the important part!
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Post by duff on Dec 6, 2016 13:43:40 GMT -5
I don't see the loss of a couple archery days as a big factor in total numbers. Who knows. I completely agree far too many variables, and the weather a lot of us have harped on too, but a while back. Definitely a great Spring for fawn recruitment as doubt many mommas were low on nutrient dense milk with the incredibly nice/wet Spring. As for couple bow days not doing much: November 4th @ 8:00PM - 18,044 November 5th @ 9:34PM - 20,000 Once Halloween rolls around it isn't uncommon for archery to submit 1,000 deer a day easily. So the assumption would be if those guys killing deer with bow those days also kill deer with a gun. Statists say most hunters are done after the first deer, bow or gun.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 6, 2016 13:52:34 GMT -5
Ty...All that is good info but you some how left out all the changes we have had over that period of time...... Thus the important part! You give me the actual difference say adding crossbows made to the harvest and I'll put *by and add. I'm merely stating it has not been even close to that in a VERY LONG time honestly.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 6, 2016 13:58:11 GMT -5
Ohhhhh, we're down. Something must be wrong! ...gotta be global warming or something worse There is nothing worse than global warming...
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Dec 6, 2016 14:02:12 GMT -5
Not if Jon is hunting, that man is a stone cold deer killer. no mercy, no trophy, just a full belly.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 6, 2016 14:04:01 GMT -5
Ty...All that is good info but you some how left out all the changes we have had over that period of time...... Thus the important part! You give me the actual difference say adding crossbows made to the harvest and I'll put *by and add. I'm merely stating it has not been even close to that in a VERY LONG time honestly. So your saying all the changes over time have made NO in the landscape of Deer hunting in Indiana? If so then there no need for me to provide a list.... Merely wasting time....lol... Carry on please! BTW..... How about bag limits, seasons lengths ... Stayed the same?
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Post by arlowe13 on Dec 6, 2016 14:05:41 GMT -5
Here's some more interesting data... Yellow is total available tags sold (excludes landowner, AFAIK) The blues are firearms kills and total kills. Looks like the total harvest trends pretty closely to the overall harvest, which you may expect due to the firearms season providing >60% of the harvests. The jump in tags sold in 2012 is obviously due to the bundle being offered.
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 6, 2016 14:08:14 GMT -5
There really is no way to measure a weapon's impact on the herd, per se. If you add a weapon then make no more changes for a few years, external factors can still influence the harvest. As far as trends go, I can discern from the harvest reports that more bucks are killed annually since the one-buck rule was instituted. Does that mean that the OBR is the cause?
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Post by greghopper on Dec 6, 2016 14:21:38 GMT -5
Has to be... Lol
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Dec 6, 2016 14:21:41 GMT -5
I think it's interesting data. Obviously firearms can reach out further, but the season is also at a good time too. I wonder how many hunters just hunt firearm?
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 6, 2016 14:30:24 GMT -5
I wonder how many hunters just hunt firearm? Lots! Lol!
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Post by jjas on Dec 6, 2016 14:53:47 GMT -5
Arlowe13 is correct when he points out that the firearms season accounted for roughly 60% of last years total deer harvest.
What was left out is that when you add in the other two firearms seasons (muzzleloader and late antlerless) that figure goes up to roughly 74% of the total harvest.
Funny thing is, if you look over the data for the last several years you will see that 74% figure is fairly steady regardless of equipment changes or adding the late antlerless season.
What has made a difference is that while archery has dropped a bit, when you add in the crossbow hunters, archery accounts for 26% of the harvest and I don't believe it's ever been quite that high.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 14:54:47 GMT -5
My average is just over 2 1983 0 1984 0 1985 1 buck 1986 0 1987 1 buck bought bow after season 1988 4 2 bucks 1989 4 2 bucks 1990 4 2 bucks 1991 3 2 bucks 1992 3 2 bucks 1993 to 2011 2 (2 bucks or 1 of each) (never took only 2 doe)
EHD (started hunting at home) 2012 2(Buck in Indiana/Doe in Ohio) 2013 1 buck Indiana 2014 1 buck Indiana
2015 2 one each (Indiana) 2016 2 (Doe in Indiana/Buck in Ohio) 46 deer
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 6, 2016 14:58:53 GMT -5
You give me the actual difference say adding crossbows made to the harvest and I'll put *by and add. I'm merely stating it has not been even close to that in a VERY LONG time honestly. So your saying all the changes over time have made NO in the landscape of Deer hunting in Indiana? If so then there no need for me to provide a list.... Merely wasting time....lol... Carry on please! BTW..... How about bag limits, seasons lengths ... Stayed the same? Never made any such claims or laid any claims to any of the numbers and you know this. Pot stir elsewhere Greg.
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Post by GS1 on Dec 6, 2016 15:12:01 GMT -5
that's a fairly rare size rack in Indiana, and even more rare of a hunter that will hold out for one. I know I took my compound in the early November, and if my crossbow would have been in my hand I would have had probably 38" less of antler because he was dead-to-rights at 55 yards and my excaliber is a tack driver at 60 yards. So yeah, I think having a longer range weapon is making a difference for more than a few hunters. Did you end up killing a buck this year? With what weapon?
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Post by greghopper on Dec 6, 2016 15:19:56 GMT -5
So your saying all the changes over time have made NO in the landscape of Deer hunting in Indiana? If so then there no need for me to provide a list.... Merely wasting time....lol... Carry on please! BTW..... How about bag limits, seasons lengths ... Stayed the same? Never made any such claims or laid any claims to any of the numbers and you know this. Pot stir elsewhere Greg. I knew you wouldn't want to see the facts...... No one stiring anything ....just shinning the light of truth where needed sorry it didn't aling with your half information TY. No need to back up now!
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 6, 2016 16:00:06 GMT -5
Never made any such claims or laid any claims to any of the numbers and you know this. Pot stir elsewhere Greg. I knew you wouldn't want to see the facts...... No one stiring anything ....just shinning the light of truth where needed sorry it didn't aling with your half information TY. No need to back up now! Half information. I merely stated harvest totals and really didn't try to equate or manipulate them or tie them to any factors. Truly if one wants to things like start of firearm season and weather and number of hunters all need to be analyzed and separated. Honestly love to see the data done that way, I only listed harvest totals and nothing more and didn't draw any huge blanket statements from them. Crack me up
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 6, 2016 16:08:59 GMT -5
that's a fairly rare size rack in Indiana, and even more rare of a hunter that will hold out for one. I know I took my compound in the early November, and if my crossbow would have been in my hand I would have had probably 38" less of antler because he was dead-to-rights at 55 yards and my excaliber is a tack driver at 60 yards. So yeah, I think having a longer range weapon is making a difference for more than a few hunters. Did you end up killing a buck this year? With what weapon? yes, the one in my avatar with a .243, think it was only 75 yards though
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Dec 6, 2016 16:15:15 GMT -5
I hope I didn't start this mess.
Let's go out and add a few more to the total.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 16:16:03 GMT -5
Per my understanding the herds numbers is semi-controlled by IDNR and the number of hunters successes. Every few years after 1996. I hunted from 1983 to 1996 every year (1996 - 123086). Up to that point I think the IDNR let the population grow. From that point on (1997) the herd size goal per the IDNR is created and changes up and down over years to reach their goal. Of course, there are some changes in regulations, diseases, and lately growing predator impact. Of course, across the state there are best/worse areas to support deer and the size of the herd. I think IDNR main goal is a balancing act between three main areas (Money/Hunter Success/Car Insurance industry/deer-car-deaths). Weapons, bating, food plots is nothing but noise to the big picture. The "truth" is the IDNR makes the call (some politics lately). Same is true for Ohio and all the other States. Ohio is tough. My home area has a huge deer herd. In 2014 over 300 deer/Square-mile estimated. That puts deer on my place everyday eating everything. My last post on this post!!!
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