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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 10:35:17 GMT -5
Here's my 2 cents. Has anyone tried to shoot over 150 yards in the standing position and or without a good steady rest. If the tree stand is moving just a little by the wind or buck fever, it is very hard to hold the scope on target. My longest bow shot is 47 yards (this season) and gun is 65 yards.
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Post by gpd005 on Dec 6, 2016 11:01:11 GMT -5
I still thinking we are missing a big piece of this puzzle (regardless of what type of weapon you are holding). How many people are actually out hunting and buying a license? To me it seems like there are as many or more people hunting now than in past years, and I've been at this for about twenty years. So if that is the case, that there are more people in the woods, but the same amount of deer being killed what does that do to our figures? We have seen less deer this year than in years past but also have seen more hunters around than in years past. Sure HPR's may have opened up a few more shots for some people but it's not the silver bullet that put us over the edge. I think it is a combination of a LOT of things. Just my $.02
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Post by trapperdave on Dec 6, 2016 11:02:01 GMT -5
Hell, most can't hit a six inch target off the bench at 150 yards. Lol
They say they can, but....
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 6, 2016 11:20:30 GMT -5
I still thinking we are missing a big piece of this puzzle (regardless of what type of weapon you are holding). How many people are actually out hunting and buying a license? To me it seems like there are as many or more people hunting now than in past years, and I've been at this for about twenty years. So if that is the case, that there are more people in the woods, but the same amount of deer being killed what does that do to our figures? We have seen less deer this year than in years past but also have seen more hunters around than in years past. Sure HPR's may have opened up a few more shots for some people but it's not the silver bullet that put us over the edge. I think it is a combination of a LOT of things. Just my $.02 Everything is locationally driven and at times just hunt a piece 1/4 mile down the road the the deer outlook there can be mightedly different....I am astonished at times how two of my chunks of ground of the ones I hunt while only maybe 2 or 3 hundred yards apart across a road differ mightedly in sightings...and hunting pressure...totally different feeling or outlook at one vs the other...and they are "neighbors" I personally think you nailed it with the last line, if anyone thinks what they personally are seeing is limited down to just one factor...I don't think they're being observant enough. True a location might have 1 HUGE factor causing results or outlooks to be created as so, example an EHD breakout or a neighbor that maybe harvests 8-16 deer off their place a year for a number of years....but those cases are rare I feel. More often there is a combinations of factors and hunting pressure or number of hunters present in the greater area is often overlooked by some. Yes, I would have moved my stand closer this year to where I saw the deer last year. Lol! On a serious note though, yes, I'm sure that there were some longer shots taken this year, but I honestly believe that they were but a drop in the buck as far as harvest totals go. Only time will tell. I think the first drop we'll see is the number of 140" bucks taking... from this year to the next. Then overall numbers declining for a few years equaling less hunters, and a rebound in 5 years when deer numbers go back up. (Minus disease and weather impact) Yup, the trend for harvests and hunter involved are like the tides of the ocean in the last 10-15 years of modern hunting....don't expect it to change drastically either way.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 6, 2016 11:21:34 GMT -5
Hell, most can't hit a six inch target off the bench at 150 yards. Lol They say they can, but.... Shoot working at an inside gun range I discovered very quickly how some "marksman" can't even hit a man's outline let alone a 4 inch group at our longest length of 27 yards let alone 100 or more.....
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 6, 2016 11:22:01 GMT -5
Yes, I would have moved my stand closer this year to where I saw the deer last year. Lol! On a serious note though, yes, I'm sure that there were some longer shots taken this year, but I honestly believe that they were but a drop in the buck as far as harvest totals go. Only time will tell. I think the first drop we'll see is the number of 140" bucks taking... from this year to the next. Then overall numbers declining for a few years equaling less hunters, and a rebound in 5 years when deer numbers go back up. (Minus disease and weather impact) that's a fairly rare size rack in Indiana, and even more rare of a hunter that will hold out for one. I know I took my compound in the early November, and if my crossbow would have been in my hand I would have had probably 38" less of antler because he was dead-to-rights at 55 yards and my excaliber is a tack driver at 60 yards. So yeah, I think having a longer range weapon is making a difference for more than a few hunters.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 6, 2016 11:47:44 GMT -5
Only time will tell. I think the first drop we'll see is the number of 140" bucks taking... from this year to the next. Then overall numbers declining for a few years equaling less hunters, and a rebound in 5 years when deer numbers go back up. (Minus disease and weather impact) that's a fairly rare size rack in Indiana, and even more rare of a hunter that will hold out for one. I know I took my compound in the early November, and if my crossbow would have been in my hand I would have had probably 38" less of antler because he was dead-to-rights at 55 yards and my excaliber is a tack driver at 60 yards. So yeah, I think having a longer range weapon is making a difference for more than a few hunters. EDITED: a sidetrack isn't needed, I'll keep it harvest related LOL
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Post by greghopper on Dec 6, 2016 11:51:53 GMT -5
Only time will tell. I think the first drop we'll see is the number of 140" bucks taking... from this year to the next. Then overall numbers declining for a few years equaling less hunters, and a rebound in 5 years when deer numbers go back up. (Minus disease and weather impact) that's a fairly rare size rack in Indiana, and even more rare of a hunter that will hold out for one. I know I took my compound in the early November, and if my crossbow would have been in my hand I would have had probably 38" less of antler because he was dead-to-rights at 55 yards and my excaliber is a tack driver at 60 yards. So yeah, I think having a longer range weapon is making a difference for more than a few hunters. Exactly ..... That's a no brainer, it's called Modern Tec.
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 6, 2016 12:05:45 GMT -5
tynimiller, I hunt Johnson and Parke currently, but used to be in Owen (thus my handle "freedom" area on white river). But, I work all over the state and also in Kentucky some. It is a rare animal in most places, jmo. Sure, some of the better areas you are going to have more bucks in the 3-4 year old range. It is all usually dependent on firearm pressure, but you already know that. I'm not here to argue anymore honestly.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 6, 2016 12:06:33 GMT -5
Getting back to the original subject of this thread..
Current reported deer harvest
107,579
From Sept 15, 2016 to Tuesday, December 6, 2016 as of 11:00 AM CST
www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/8367.htm
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 6, 2016 12:13:44 GMT -5
tynimiller, I hunt Johnson and Parke currently, but used to be in Owen (thus my handle "freedom" area on white river). But, I work all over the state and also in Kentucky some. It is a rare animal in most places, jmo. Sure, some of the better areas you are going to have more bucks in the 3-4 year old range. It is all usually dependent on firearm pressure, but you already know that. I'm not here to argue anymore honestly. Yeah sorry I even edited my post as this is an entirely different discussion. I agree 100% on what drives it as you said.
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Post by Boilermaker on Dec 6, 2016 12:20:34 GMT -5
Anyone know where we were at this time last year?
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 6, 2016 12:43:28 GMT -5
Anyone know where we were at this time last year? Last I heard we were slightly up firearm wise and under slightly for bow...but that is to be expected with 2 less archery days this year before firearm.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 6, 2016 12:56:41 GMT -5
Anyone know where we were at this time last year? Last I heard we were slightly up firearm wise and under slightly for bow...but that is to be expected with 2 less archery days this year before firearm.
On this day last year..Current reported deer harvest: 108,306As of Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 5:30 AM CST. - 727 deer difference..Last year’s thread on the same subject.. hunt-indiana.com/thread/54597/date-deer-harvest-numbers
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Dec 6, 2016 12:59:13 GMT -5
Ohhhhh, we're down. Something must be wrong! ...gotta be global warming or something worse
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Post by greghopper on Dec 6, 2016 13:03:24 GMT -5
Ohhhhh, we're down. Something must be wrong! ...gotta be global warming or something worse You can't kill what not there....I predict within the next few years our Deer Harvest goes below 100,000 IMO
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Dec 6, 2016 13:05:38 GMT -5
Ohhhhh, we're down. Something must be wrong! ...gotta be global warming or something worse You can't kill what not there....I predict within the next few years our Deer Harvest goes below 100,000 IMO We need more mommas having babies.
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Post by bill9068 on Dec 6, 2016 13:06:43 GMT -5
Not if Jon is hunting, that man is a stone cold deer killer.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 6, 2016 13:26:59 GMT -5
Ohhhhh, we're down. Something must be wrong! ...gotta be global warming or something worse You can't kill what not there....I predict within the next few years our Deer Harvest goes below 100,000 IMO Below 100K....maybe but that would be a record low for over 15 years now as 2000 was last year beneath 100k. Trends would indicate we were due for a slight reduction this year or next and perhaps for 2 years down. From a post of mine a year or so ago (Dec 22nd 2015): - On a statewide harvest of the statewide herd, Indiana hunters have harvested on average over the last 28 years (not including this year as still not official) of 109,000 (rounded figure). - In those 28 years, we have harvested over 100K a total of 21 times. Over 90K a total of 25 times. Over 75K all but 2 times (1987 & 1988). - Since 2005 we have averaged over 120K. - Over that time frame harvest totals have rose and fallen from year to year. - We have never went more than 4 years with a decreased harvest total from the previous year. (1997 - 2000) - We have never went more than 5 years with an increased harvest total from the previous year. (2001 - 2005) Honestly pre-80s (in my opinion) is an entirely different animal herd wise which is why I used the data I had before me which was a table of last 28 years. Snapshots every 10 years doesn't show the truth, but it doesn't lie either all in how you present the snapshot...use other snapshots and it would look something like this: Red - Decreases from year prior Blue - Increase from year prior 1990 - 88,763 1995 - 117,7292000 - 98,7252005 - 125,526 2010 - 134,0042015 - 118k to 125k most likely.Or you could do any other snapshot as well. A full list as I had available: 1987 - 51778 1988 - 60234 1989 - 79318 1990 - 88763 1991 - 986831992 - 953141993 - 101214 1994 - 112416 1995 - 117729 1996 - 1230861997 - 104937 1998 - 100461 1999 - 99618 2000 - 987252001 - 103163 2002 - 104428 2003 - 106986 2004 - 123058 2005 - 1255262006 - 125381 2007 - 1244272008 - 129748 2009 - 132431 2010 - 1340042011 - 1290182012 - 1362482013 - 125635 2014 - 1200732015 - 110K to 125K 2016 2017 2018
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 6, 2016 13:40:20 GMT -5
My yearly average harvest is 3.59 deer over 22 seasons. I'm at 3 so far this year, so one more will maintain my average another year.
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