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Post by greghopper on Sept 23, 2016 8:58:00 GMT -5
[quote source="/post/478380/thread" timestamp="1474600557" So what weekend do you want the BowHunter's of the state to give up..... They are the one that have the date at where it is now! BTW..... The meat will not spoil if you do your home work in advance of the hunt..... Bow hunters don't have to give up a weekend in Illinois. We can still hunt if we wear orange. I would imagine if Indiana ever moved the youth season the same thing would happen since you can still bow hunt during the normal firearm season now. So why have a special season if your going to be hunting with the general public anyway?
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Post by henson59 on Sept 23, 2016 9:03:30 GMT -5
Well its special because the kids can use a firearm when an adult can't. Last I knew here in Illinois if a youth didn't fill their tag they could use it during the first gun season as well so in that example they would have to hunt with the general firearm public eventually.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 9:04:49 GMT -5
Personally, I think they should get rid of the youth season and get rid of the regulations. More government bureaucracy. Let's go back to the self reliance years and let the parent(s) or legal guardian decide the best day(s) to go out during archery or gun season. How about bringing nature and being self sufficient back in the schools. The biggest issue on the lack of young hunters is not the seasons, but the regulations and the lack of education of the great outdoors. It's great to see some schools have archery programs. Programs like that will help the cause verse the best dates. Trapperdave for the preservation on meat is right on. So what you're saying, Wayne, is you are taking your kids out this weekend? My kids are past that stage and never needed a special weekend. What's the big deal if it's this weekend, next weekend, or anytime the next two months. My questions are: Why do we need a Special weekend and why did the State create one? Money, money and more money!!! Everyday of my life is special with my children hunting or not.
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Post by greghopper on Sept 23, 2016 9:07:35 GMT -5
Since then we were able to convince the DNR to allow the kids to have the same opportunities as any other deet hunting group and take an antlered deer and the county limit. Maybe it's time to push for a better time to have the youth season? exactly.... The got input is set up for that type of want or you can petition the Idea also. Starting these type of threads every year does nothing but cause useless banner on the eve of a weekend many youth and adults love to see happen. BTW..... If change can happen and the majority is for it let's make it happen!
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Post by greghopper on Sept 23, 2016 9:17:34 GMT -5
So what weekend do you want the BowHunter's of the state to give up..... They are the one that have the date at where it is now! BTW..... The meat will not spoil if you do your home work in advance of the hunt..... So my daughter shoots a deer on Sunday evening when it is 80 degrees. It doesn't drop in it's tracks like most deer you shoot do. We lose light and back out to be safe. Please tell me the proper technique to make sure the deer doesn't spoil over night? Low of 62 in Fort Wayne. See trapperdave's post..... Folks have been hunting for many years out west and seem to understand what to do!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 9:34:54 GMT -5
It is a concern, but it won't spoil over night. It takes a day for a deer to cool down even during cold weather. You do need to find it early the next morning before it warms up.. I shot a doe in 80 degrees a long time ago and it ran 200 yards in an over grown field. My brother and I could not find it during the night and or early next morning. After lunch I went again and found her. By then she was blotted and smelled. Not good.
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Post by featherduster on Sept 23, 2016 9:48:22 GMT -5
There is no reason why the youth season couldn't be set for the last weekend in October. Archery hunters will have already had their crack at the deer and there is plenty of time for the deer to recover from the youth weekend before gun season.
This weekend my area will have temps in the 80's, high humidity, and skeeters galore in addition if the youth hunter scores you will be very busy putting up a deer so that it won't spoil. All of the above is not my idea of a fun weekend.
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Post by jjas on Sept 23, 2016 10:08:54 GMT -5
Every year @ this time, the same old arguments surface about the youth season. It's too hot, it's too early, the meat will spoil, let's move it, the bowhunters will have a fit if the kids hunt with guns in October or early November, why should these spoiled kids have their own season @ all......
And while the IDNR will never make everyone happy on this subject (or likely any subject for that matter), I look @ it like this....
IMHO, we are blessed to have the seasons and equipment choices we do have, so I'm not going to complain about a two day youth season. Instead, I'm going to do my best to enjoy the entire deer season and wish the kids good luck.
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Post by js2397 on Sept 23, 2016 10:49:05 GMT -5
Bow hunters don't have to give up a weekend in Illinois. We can still hunt if we wear orange. I would imagine if Indiana ever moved the youth season the same thing would happen since you can still bow hunt during the normal firearm season now. So why have a special season if your going to be hunting with the general public anyway? Same as the special antlerless season, muzzleloader season, and crossbow season. They all have to share the woods with the bow hunters.
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Post by (Not Ronald) Reagan on Sept 23, 2016 12:38:37 GMT -5
These dates go back when the DNR was proposing the youth season. The organized bowhunting group really did not want a youth season at all but were afraid they "would come off anti-youth. " The compromise was OKed but not during archery season. Then we had another group pushing to not allow the kids to take a buck deer during the youth season. The convinced the DNR that landowners wouldn't allow kids to hunt their properties if a buck was allowed. So between the two groups the kids got hot weather last weekend in September and antlerless only. Since then we were able to convince the DNR to allow the kids to have the same opportunities as any other deet hunting group and take an antlered deer and the county limit. Maybe it's time to push for a better time to have the youth season? It's antler less only for youth season?
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Post by dbd870 on Sept 23, 2016 13:18:58 GMT -5
These dates go back when the DNR was proposing the youth season. The organized bowhunting group really did not want a youth season at all but were afraid they "would come off anti-youth. " The compromise was OKed but not during archery season. Then we had another group pushing to not allow the kids to take a buck deer during the youth season. The convinced the DNR that landowners wouldn't allow kids to hunt their properties if a buck was allowed. So between the two groups the kids got hot weather last weekend in September and antlerless only. Since then we were able to convince the DNR to allow the kids to have the same opportunities as any other deet hunting group and take an antlered deer and the county limit. Maybe it's time to push for a better time to have the youth season? It's antler less only for youth season? No that changed several years back
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Post by greghopper on Sept 23, 2016 13:43:38 GMT -5
Yep and so did the bag limit .....
On youth weekend you must hunt with a mentor at all times.
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Post by (Not Ronald) Reagan on Sept 23, 2016 13:54:14 GMT -5
It's antler less only for youth season? No that changed several years back Oh ok thanks just checking, I wasn't going to go if you can't take a buck lol
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Post by 3ptbuck on Sept 23, 2016 19:56:40 GMT -5
Guess I'm one of very few that's OK with the youth dates. I'm not as fond of early season as I once was but I still enjoy it. I'm all for giving the youth a chance when the deer are easily patterned and seen zero pressure. My kid will hunt every chance she gets during the regular season so a youth weekend set later wouldn't really benefit her (or any youth that hunts all season) as far as any extra days in the field, just a change in weapons. Personally this wouldn't benefit us any, most of our sets are bow range set ups and I don't let her shoot her .357 passed 50yds now anyways.
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Post by firstwd on Sept 23, 2016 20:14:15 GMT -5
This year, the youth weekend is as far before the opening of regular archery season as it can ever be. With that being said, if it's too hot for youth season how is it not too hot for archery season? Oh, and deer reduction season is already open. Plus several want an earlier open to regular archery to have a chance at a velvet buck. How is the heat not an issue?
In my mind, the complaints come back to guns being in the woods before the bows.
Why do we have a youth season? Why not? The world is not what it was. Hunting is not the main source of meat on the table like it once was so the interest truly is interest and not necessity.
The idea is extremely simple. Take your kids whenever YOU choose. These two days are simply added bonus days that allows you and your child to pick absolutely any Indiana legal weapon to take a deer with.
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Post by trapperdave on Sept 23, 2016 23:06:32 GMT -5
Why would it spoil? Shoot it, gut it, put a couple bags of ice in it and wrap in a tarp. Keep out of sun. Done that to a few over the years killed in 80+ weather. You'd swear it had been in a fridge. Leave the hide ON to insulate from the heat and hold the cold in Heck, they hunt antelope in hundred degree heat lol Because in a perfect world the deer drops dead on site when you shoot it and there is a gas station with ice just around the corner. Sure Dave, it can end well with a quick retrieve, quick cool down, and a covered place to hang. But, all of us don't live in Mayberry! Lol I have lost count of the number of deer I have killed on my property in the last thirty plus years. I have yet to have but one make it off my land before dieing....and it was within thirty yards of my property line. Over two dozen of those were bow kills. Oh yeah, my property is twenty acres. Only half of that is wooded. So all but one of those deer dropped within a hundred yards. Its all about shot placement and patience Get it iced within a couple hours or so and your fine.....or wait for cooler weather if you wish I'm headed back to Mayberry now I've even left them overnight. They may bloat some, but that doesn't mean meat is spoiled. Its just the gas in the guts
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Post by wesb81219 on Sept 23, 2016 23:43:19 GMT -5
Why would it spoil? Shoot it, gut it, put a couple bags of ice in it and wrap in a tarp. Keep out of sun. Done that to a few over the years killed in 80+ weather. You'd swear it had been in a fridge. Leave the hide ON to insulate from the heat and hold the cold in Heck, they hunt antelope in hundred degree heat lol Following this method how long would you say is safe for you to either process your own deer or get it to a processor
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Post by deadeer on Sept 24, 2016 0:24:42 GMT -5
Why would it spoil? Shoot it, gut it, put a couple bags of ice in it and wrap in a tarp. Keep out of sun. Done that to a few over the years killed in 80+ weather. You'd swear it had been in a fridge. Leave the hide ON to insulate from the heat and hold the cold in Heck, they hunt antelope in hundred degree heat lol Following this method how long would you say is safe for you to either process your own deer or get it to a processor Just keep the ice bags in it, should be good for a day or three. Better yet, skin and disassemble, put in cooler with ice and drain bloody water routinely. I do it in gun season but use galvanized tubs when I have a couple deer going at same time. I have taken all week to get 5-6 deer completely butchered this way. No hurry then.
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Post by trapperdave on Sept 24, 2016 16:01:32 GMT -5
Two or three days. Fresh ice daily. Keep out of direct sun light and wrapped up
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Sept 24, 2016 18:38:21 GMT -5
I've spent many a late night butchering a critter to prevent spoilage. Either butcher right away or ice it down ASAP.
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