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Post by sakorifle on Mar 28, 2016 12:41:21 GMT -5
Who needs follow up shots anyway? Well i have had to use follow up shots, i aint too proud to admit it, shoot enough deer and its going to happen THis season i have hit two deer twice both with copper ammo, first shot was good and was going to kill them but it was taking too long and at 150 to 200 yards away one cannot be sure what is going on so i put another into them. i always shoot again if its safe and not sure, but i use a bolt action and i have never had any bother getting a quick second shot in. All i am going to say and i repeat myself, Big al and mike dillion shoot one hundred times better with there bolt action rifles then with there autos, why?? you tell me. And if you see this Big Al drop the auto it is doing you no favours and i will come coyote hunting with you. lol regards Billy.
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 28, 2016 15:54:23 GMT -5
Here is where the DNR is answering questions on the HPRs.. .
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Post by subzero350 on Mar 28, 2016 15:56:20 GMT -5
As opposed to a pump or side by side. Does pumping the action make one a safer hunter? Not wanting to put words in your mouth but seems the only safe way to hunt deer is with a single shot or dare I say a bow. If directed at my semi-auto comments, pumping the action does not necessarily make one "safer". However, I have always been personally of the mindset a auto-loader doesn't encourage as much safety as one which requires some time racking, lever working or bolt running...now before someone brings up the "I can work my pump...." I know and get that if practiced folks can fire some very fast shot with pumps and even bolts (youtube it...impressive)...however it requires skill and practice time to do quick follow up shots with these weapons. I can make a similar argument opposite to yours in that someone trying to take a 2nd shot is going to be so busy and consumed with working the action that they could end up rushing that follow-up shot instead of taking the time to be safe and accurate about it. Time is the constant here, and sometimes follow-up shots don't offer a big window of opportunity. I've never needed a follow-up shot (bow or gun hunting), but that hasn't stopped me from going thru the motions of being ready to take it - just in case. This all comes down to each shooter's abilities and habits. If someone is safe with a bolt action, pump, lever, or single shot; who is to say they won't be as safe with a semi-auto? Having the gun load that 2nd round for me doesn't make me ignore the lessons I've learned about shot placement, aiming, knowing what's beyond the target, etc. It simply gives me more time to focus on all those aspects of shooting since I'm not worrying about "racking the next round".If you don't trust yourself with a semi-auto, then don't bring one to the field. But don't assume the mere act of letting people hunt with semi-autos is going to make them unsafe - if they are safe shooters to begin with. Like I have said repeatedly in this thread - there are many semi-auto guns that have been legal to hunt deer with FOR YEARS. And I haven't heard of any major problems associated with them. Just a bunch of speculation and hand-ringing now since a particular black rifle can be used...
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 28, 2016 16:07:02 GMT -5
The most dangerous part of any gun is the person holding it.
LOTS of semi-autos already out there. I hunt with one myself..
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Mar 28, 2016 17:56:00 GMT -5
If I can, I always put in a 2nd shot as insurance if they don't drop.
Some critters, like hogs, I may even put 1 or 2 in them if they do go down. I've had a couple come back to life and run off.
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Post by squirrelhunter on Mar 28, 2016 17:58:08 GMT -5
I've already got a bolt action 30-06 plus plenty of already legal firearms so there won't be any gun shopping from me,just glad I'll finally be able to hunt with the Mossberg.
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Post by M4Madness on Mar 28, 2016 17:59:26 GMT -5
I always put a second bullet into any deer that goes down in sight.
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Post by firstwd on Mar 28, 2016 19:00:52 GMT -5
Well, at least there isnt any confusion about using the Kimber 10MM I bought to hunt deer if I want to ..... Just as long as the case length meets current requirements, unless that language got taken out... Hey, I have plenty of choices. Now I can take the Marlin 30/30 too.
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Post by M4Madness on Mar 28, 2016 19:06:53 GMT -5
Well, at least there isnt any confusion about using the Kimber 10MM I bought to hunt deer if I want to ..... Just as long as the case length meets current requirements, unless that language got taken out... The bill's language says that a 10MM handgun can be used for deer regardless of case length.
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Post by M4Madness on Mar 28, 2016 19:14:36 GMT -5
The technical corrections day has been scheduled in May, if called.
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Post by firstwd on Mar 28, 2016 19:17:43 GMT -5
Just as long as the case length meets current requirements, unless that language got taken out... The bill's language says that a 10MM handgun can be used for deer regardless of case length. At one point it had language that they would have to meet current case length requirements. Then it kept changing seemingly every day and I quit reading all the fine print. So I can legally kill deer with my Glock .40 caliber? Interesting.
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Post by swilk on Mar 28, 2016 19:18:45 GMT -5
Just as long as the case length meets current requirements, unless that language got taken out... The bill's language says that a 10MM handgun can be used for deer regardless of case length. Which has the unintended consequence of making the 40sw legal as well. I think most would agree that's light for deer but it is what it is.
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Post by bullseye69 on Mar 28, 2016 19:38:42 GMT -5
I got a Rem. 742 semi-auto in 30-06. Might have to play with it this season. Been sitting in safe for years. Its not a black gun.
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Post by firstwd on Mar 28, 2016 20:01:03 GMT -5
The bill's language says that a 10MM handgun can be used for deer regardless of case length. Which has the unintended consequence of making the 40sw legal as well. I think most would agree that's light for deer but it is what it is. They have worked wonders on every deer I've seen hit with one. Then again, they were hit by cars first.
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Post by boman on Mar 28, 2016 20:17:04 GMT -5
Which has the unintended consequence of making the 40sw legal as well. I think most would agree that's light for deer but it is what it is. They have worked wonders on every deer I've seen hit with one. Then again, they were hit by cars first. Heard about the pistol thing in the bill, didn't know steelbelted radials were included too. Steve
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Post by firstwd on Mar 28, 2016 21:03:26 GMT -5
They have worked wonders on every deer I've seen hit with one. Then again, they were hit by cars first. Heard about the pistol thing in the bill, didn't know steelbelted radials were included too. Steve It's a cop thing. ;-)
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Post by bart1533 on Mar 28, 2016 22:35:38 GMT -5
Safety is something that happens between your ears, not something you hold in your hands. Jeff Cooper
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Post by sakorifle on Mar 29, 2016 2:20:30 GMT -5
The most dangerous part of any gun is the person holding it. LOTS of semi-autos already out there. I hunt with one myself.. WHAT, WHAT, i reel back in pure disbelief and need a shot of whisky ?? lol Only ever tried a 22rf and i have never shot accurataly enough with one to be satisfied ,but then that is me. And jamming well its a good job rabbits did not shoot back, i handed it back to the owner very unimpressed. but its a democeacy we are all different. regards Billy
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Post by sakorifle on Mar 29, 2016 2:40:03 GMT -5
gretings Time to be serious i think. Over here it is important how one is percieved by the public because there is more non hunters voting than hunters, us using military style rifles would be the death blow to shooting in the uk, that is a fact. They are seen as military rifles disigned for one purpose only, going to battle. Using the same action with a sporting stock on i think one would get away with , but the law here was changed when an idiot went beserk with one in a town. How one is seen by the public is a big thing with our firm, heck we cannot even wear real tree clothes anymore because they think it looks too military. Crap yes but this is good old england it runs on it. How your public percieve those types of rifles i do not know, how much clout your public has with the politicians i do not know. But a bolt action is still more accurate, lol Oh and i use a black rifle and its a good un. regards Billy
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Post by drs on Mar 29, 2016 4:31:46 GMT -5
The bill's language says that a 10MM handgun can be used for deer regardless of case length. Which has the unintended consequence of making the 40sw legal as well. I think most would agree that's light for deer but it is what it is. In my opinion the smallest cartridge, for hunting Deer, is the 7.62 X 39 m/m cartridge. Lots of these pistol cartridges, regardless of caliber, lack the power to take Deer sized game.
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