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LP GAS
Jan 29, 2014 9:05:34 GMT -5
Post by schall53 on Jan 29, 2014 9:05:34 GMT -5
Who else is getting robbed? I just got 200 gals of LP gas yesterday which is all my local guy would even give me because of the shortage. 200 gallons totaled $1177.00 or $5.50/gal.
I use an average of 350 gal/month. That makes $2059.89 each month just for heat, that is if I can even get it. This is absolutely crazy, my first fill in October was $1.79.
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LP GAS
Jan 29, 2014 9:17:28 GMT -5
Post by swilk on Jan 29, 2014 9:17:28 GMT -5
What is the deal with that? I read a little snippit from someplace else from a person talking about a 200gallon limit and $5.15 per gallon.
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LP GAS
Jan 29, 2014 9:28:47 GMT -5
Post by goosepondmonster on Jan 29, 2014 9:28:47 GMT -5
My in-law's are in a similar situation. They are on a 150 gallon cap and it is $900 for the 150 gallons. Apparently the farmers used a lot of LP due to crops being wetter than usual and a lot of the LP is being exported.
I'm thinking they're just using this as an opportunity to price gouge due to the high demand.
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LP GAS
Jan 29, 2014 9:32:33 GMT -5
Post by swilk on Jan 29, 2014 9:32:33 GMT -5
yea ... i just did a crash course on what is going on. Farmers using millions of gallons to dry grains and then immediately going into a colder than normal winter.
Good grief ... i thought my nearly $500 electric bill was outrageous.
My house is nearly 4000sqft and total electric with 2 heat pumps. That last electric bill has me seriously considering putting in a wood burner .... cant imagine spending $1k for propane.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Jan 29, 2014 9:41:17 GMT -5
I'd buy some electric space heaters before I paid that. 3 Infrareds keep my house (1600 ft2) pretty warm without the furnace.
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LP GAS
Jan 29, 2014 10:01:55 GMT -5
Post by Woody Williams on Jan 29, 2014 10:01:55 GMT -5
OUCH!!
That has to hurt..
My little adobe hacienda is only 1600 square feet so I can keep it pretty toasty with my fireplace insert. These recent zero and less nights the furnace very seldom kicks on..
28 years ago when I built the house I went with geothermal heating/cooling. The subdivision was and still is all electric.
My neighbor has a pellet stove and that keeps her house pretty warm with the furnace only running in extreme cold nights. She says she goes through a bag a day @ about $5.00 a bag.
Something to consider as there is still a tax write off on these stoves and inserts..
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LP GAS
Jan 29, 2014 10:03:59 GMT -5
Post by swilk on Jan 29, 2014 10:03:59 GMT -5
Sometimes I wish I had a smaller house .... then the 3 kids come running by and remind me why I built a house large enough to get away from the little rugrats when I need to.
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LP GAS
Jan 29, 2014 10:17:09 GMT -5
Post by drs on Jan 29, 2014 10:17:09 GMT -5
yea ... i just did a crash course on what is going on. Farmers using millions of gallons to dry grains and then immediately going into a colder than normal winter. Good grief ... i thought my nearly $500 electric bill was outrageous. My house is nearly 4000sqft and total electric with 2 heat pumps. That last electric bill has me seriously considering putting in a wood burner .... cant imagine spending $1k for propane. Swilk, Our electric bill last month was $202.22, so I feel your pain. My Brother and I also have the same size of home as yours and also have two heat pump units. As for installing a wood burner you might want to do some research on them. We looked into one since our home is already equipped to install one, but there are some drawbacks. One thing you need to have a generator to run the circulator should you lose power for period length of time. Also you must have a good supply of wood; my Brother-in-law & Sister have a wood burner and he says you'd be surprised how fast you can go through a supply of wood.
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LP GAS
Jan 29, 2014 10:49:34 GMT -5
Post by swilk on Jan 29, 2014 10:49:34 GMT -5
My home is already hooked to a genset big enough to run every 110 load I have ... I dont usually run any of the 208 stuff when the power goes out.
I am talking about an in house wood stove ... not an outside burner. Something decorative and functional for inside my house.
I have a buddy who sells about $15k worth of firewood a year that lives just down the road ...
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LP GAS
Jan 29, 2014 10:54:58 GMT -5
Post by swilk on Jan 29, 2014 10:54:58 GMT -5
I would like to have one just for these really cold snaps ... and other times when the wife wanted to watch the flames dance.
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LP GAS
Jan 29, 2014 11:15:07 GMT -5
Post by drs on Jan 29, 2014 11:15:07 GMT -5
My home is already hooked to a genset big enough to run every 110 load I have ... I dont usually run any of the 208 stuff when the power goes out. I am talking about an in house wood stove ... not an outside burner. Something decorative and functional for inside my house. I have a buddy who sells about $15k worth of firewood a year that lives just down the road ... My Brother and I were looking into purchasing a whole home generator of 200 Amps. So we can power-up our home if we should have another outage like the one we had in 2009 during the Ice Storm. We didn't have power for 15 days and it was January!! We had a small generator that powered the coffee pot & microwave, but I bought a larger 45.8 Amp generator that holds 7 gallons of gasoline so it would run a bit longer than our smaller one. I've only used it once since I bought it!! We don't have a fireplace in the home. Our home back up in Evansville, we had a fireplace but burned natural gas logs, which took the chill off the great room while watching TV. Our home in Evansville was 7,200+ Sq.Ft. Our home here has a full basement which has a steady temp. of 72 degrees year-round.
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LP GAS
Jan 29, 2014 11:22:21 GMT -5
Post by swilk on Jan 29, 2014 11:22:21 GMT -5
I dont have natural gas at my house so a whole home genset becomes impractical. I know I could get a diesel genset but storing that fuel ... and enough of it ... becomes a problem.
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LP GAS
Jan 29, 2014 11:26:18 GMT -5
Post by drs on Jan 29, 2014 11:26:18 GMT -5
I dont have natural gas at my house so a whole home genset becomes impractical. I know I could get a diesel genset but storing that fuel ... and enough of it ... becomes a problem. We don't have natural gas either so we would have to buy a LP tank.
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LP GAS
Jan 29, 2014 11:26:22 GMT -5
Post by swilk on Jan 29, 2014 11:26:22 GMT -5
It is kind of amazing what a smaller genset will handle .... it sometimes feels like that scene from Apollo 13 when you try and start everything up but once the sequence is figured out it is pretty slick.
I have a 240v 30A genset and it will literally run my full 110 load. 2 full size refrigerators. 1 mini fridge. tv's. lights. ceiling fans. Garage door openers. Hit it with the microwave while someone is using the garage door and I doubt it would last long .... but it is very usable.
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LP GAS
Jan 29, 2014 11:31:04 GMT -5
Post by swilk on Jan 29, 2014 11:31:04 GMT -5
I dont have natural gas at my house so a whole home genset becomes impractical. I know I could get a diesel genset but storing that fuel ... and enough of it ... becomes a problem. We don't have natural gas either so we would have to buy a LP tank. If I went 15 days without power I might seriously consider it ... longest we have ever been without at our current house is less than 24 hours. I guess that kind of goes against the boy scout way ... not preparing for something until it has already happened to me once. With my current set up I can keep portions of my home warm enough that my kids would not suffer. Even under the worst of scenarios. That is good enough for me.
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LP GAS
Jan 29, 2014 11:31:46 GMT -5
Post by firstwd on Jan 29, 2014 11:31:46 GMT -5
I have an "add-on" wood burning furnace in my basement, but my 4 year old gas furnace hasn't kicked on in three years. My 7 day a week schedule last year got my a little behind on my wood supply, but the house has remained mid 70's all this winter. I saved enough winter one to pay for the furnace and installation, and year two to pay for the big splitter, everything since has been all but fee free. I spend about as much a year in fuel costs as I would for one month of the furnace running. It's work, well worth it.
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LP GAS
Jan 29, 2014 11:38:22 GMT -5
Post by swilk on Jan 29, 2014 11:38:22 GMT -5
My home does not have a basement ... but the "great" room has high, vaulted ceilings and is about 1500sqft in total size with the kitchen and everthign. At the very top of that vaulted ceiling is a cold air return for the air handler. A burner in that location should be able to effectively heat much of the house with the air handler circulating the warm air.
But ... the burner I want is $3k. And I want to move a window for the installation. And when I move that window I want to add a couple more overlooking my backyard. All in all I figure the installation will cost me $10k.
Lot of money to save a couple hundred bucks ... a couple times a year.
But the wife likes watching them burn ... so ill probably get one.
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LP GAS
Jan 29, 2014 12:01:09 GMT -5
Post by drs on Jan 29, 2014 12:01:09 GMT -5
We don't have natural gas either so we would have to buy a LP tank. If I went 15 days without power I might seriously consider it ... longest we have ever been without at our current house is less than 24 hours. I guess that kind of goes against the boy scout way ... not preparing for something until it has already happened to me once. With my current set up I can keep portions of my home warm enough that my kids would not suffer. Even under the worst of scenarios. That is good enough for me. YEP!! When the area lost power back in 2009s Ice Storm the few neighbors we have went to stay with their folks who had power restored. Everyone around us were amazed that my Brother & I set it out for 15 days in freezing weather, just told them we're just two TOUGH HOOSIERS!! Anyway, after the electric co-op power company, did little to help restore our power so we simply called our Attorney back up in Evansville, and our power was restored in 45 minutes. We hated to go that direction but after 15 days it was starting to get ridiculous. Adding a LP powered generator or outdoor wood burner would add value to ones home, especially in the area we now live. The wood burner would be good as we have some 70 acres of woods, but a generator would be handier.
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LP GAS
Jan 29, 2014 12:03:17 GMT -5
Post by drs on Jan 29, 2014 12:03:17 GMT -5
I have an "add-on" wood burning furnace in my basement, but my 4 year old gas furnace hasn't kicked on in three years. My 7 day a week schedule last year got my a little behind on my wood supply, but the house has remained mid 70's all this winter. I saved enough winter one to pay for the furnace and installation, and year two to pay for the big splitter, everything since has been all but fee free. I spend about as much a year in fuel costs as I would for one month of the furnace running. It's work, well worth it. One of our neighbors has a wood burning furnace in his basement too.
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LP GAS
Jan 29, 2014 12:07:29 GMT -5
Post by drs on Jan 29, 2014 12:07:29 GMT -5
My home does not have a basement ... but the "great" room has high, vaulted ceilings and is about 1500sqft in total size with the kitchen and everthign. At the very top of that vaulted ceiling is a cold air return for the air handler. A burner in that location should be able to effectively heat much of the house with the air handler circulating the warm air. But ... the burner I want is $3k. And I want to move a window for the installation. And when I move that window I want to add a couple more overlooking my backyard. All in all I figure the installation will cost me $10k. Lot of money to save a couple hundred bucks ... a couple times a year. But the wife likes watching them burn ... so ill probably get one. Our great room ceilings are also vaulted, as is my Bedroom. The $3K burner is not a bad price and yes I imagine it will run you $10K for installation. Will take several years to realize the savings, but you'll be warmer.
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