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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2012 8:37:01 GMT -5
Are the barrels completely interchangable without headspacing? SB1 to a SB2??
Looking to build something for a 5 yr. old to hunt with. Undecided on using a 357 Max, or maybe a $$ Mag with light loads? Would maybe add a 243 barrel later for the Ky. season.
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Post by hornharvester on Dec 11, 2012 10:16:58 GMT -5
They are the same but SB1 are made from cast and SB2 are machined steel. Any caliber other than shotgun is on the SB2 frame. I think some of the early small pistol calibers were on SB1. Usually the barrel needs head spaced on any all of them unless you get lucky. h.h.
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Post by davepowers on Dec 11, 2012 19:02:36 GMT -5
There website says you have to send in the stock for head spacing the will not sell the barrel.
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Post by Boilermaker on Dec 11, 2012 20:11:57 GMT -5
Got to thinking after reading your post. I've got an H&R .44 mag, serial number starts w/CAC.....and the barrel states SB2. But after talking to the rep from H&R he said the frame is an SB1 and the only barrels I could get for mine are: .357 Mag, shotgun (not 10 ga.), and a muzzleloader. But like others have said you have to send the frame/stock in to get it fitted. I think I'm gonna get me a ML set up for mine. Back to my for less than $200!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 5:54:50 GMT -5
Well, there are some barrels out there floating around, used. If they can be fitted at the factory, no reason a gunsmith can't do the same. But it answered ny questiion that it is not the same as say a Encore swap that anyone can do in a few minutes.
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Post by parson on Dec 12, 2012 8:06:54 GMT -5
I have owned three Handis and the barrels would all interchange and lock up tight. From what I have read from others, mostly on the graybeard site, this is the case about 75% of the time.
The big caution re. the Handi is to be clear on the sb1 vs. sb2 frames. Their website tells how to distinguish the 2.
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Post by 45shooter on Dec 12, 2012 22:06:32 GMT -5
A few years ago I bought two used handi-rifles. One in .243 and one in .223 and bought new barrels for each from NEF in .357 mag for my stepsons. They have worked great for the Indiana gun season. If you find a good deal on a full size, I still have two youth buttstocks I'd be willing to part with.
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Post by omegahunter on Dec 14, 2012 8:25:56 GMT -5
I have three and none of them will even come close to interchanging. All of the Handi's are hand fitted. It is by sheer luck that any interchange without modification.
If you wanted the HPR barrel for the Kentucky season, I would suggest starting with purchasing that gun so that you had the SB2 frame capable of handling the pressure and then just send it in to get a .357 or .44 barrel fitted to it. You could also see if they still have any .35 Remington barrels and load some reduced loads for it to start with (after trimming brass to legal length).
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Post by single_shooter on Dec 27, 2012 23:25:15 GMT -5
I tried the hand-Rifles a few years ago but back then you could get a barrel new for $80.
Now with the prices higher they are not much cheaper than one for a Contender or an Encore so I would rather have the convenience of interchangeable barrels and a choice of over 300 calibers.
The overall price of the T/C setup is actually as good as the Handi's and the triggers don't need reworked you don't pay shipping and you don't go without your weapon while it is fitted with a new barrel. And with the plethora of accessories that you can get for the T/C's makes them the better choice in multi-caliber weapons to me.
I say do the math and see the difference - there is little difference in price and you get a much better quality weapon in the T/C.
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Post by dbd870 on Dec 28, 2012 5:28:31 GMT -5
That by itself is enough for me. I too would rather have the TC.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2012 11:07:16 GMT -5
What about long brass for the 357 Max. so that you can ream to 1.8"
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Post by jjas on Dec 28, 2012 11:22:27 GMT -5
Wouldn't a 180 grain .44 magnum load give you approximately the same velocity/energy as the .357 max load?
Just curious......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2012 19:08:17 GMT -5
I don't have a .357, so it would be something new to play with and likely could be loaded down enough for the 5 year old to handle.
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Post by jjas on Dec 28, 2012 20:01:25 GMT -5
I don't have a .357, so it would be something new to play with and likely could be loaded down enough for the 5 year old to handle. FWIW, a .44 special out of a rifle is a puff load too......
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Post by tomthreetoes on Dec 29, 2012 11:38:34 GMT -5
jjas, the 357 Max can be loaded to within a couple hundred FPS of the factory 35 Remington 200gr load. With the right powder and 180 gr. bullets.
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Post by jjas on Dec 29, 2012 13:33:52 GMT -5
jjas, the 357 Max can be loaded to within a couple hundred FPS of the factory 35 Remington 200gr load. With the right powder and 180 gr. bullets. What type of velocity are we talking about? Just curious......
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Post by tomthreetoes on Dec 30, 2012 9:43:35 GMT -5
Around 1900 maybe a little more depending on the rifle. There's tons of data on the web. My experiments with the H&R made me a fan of the max, but not necessarilly the rifle. I would love to find an affordable Ruger #3 chambered in 357.
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Post by jjas on Dec 30, 2012 11:51:12 GMT -5
Around 1900 maybe a little more depending on the rifle. There's tons of data on the web. My experiments with the H&R made me a fan of the max, but not necessarilly the rifle. I would love to find an affordable Ruger #3 chambered in 357. A 180 grain factory load from a .44 mag rifle will reach 2000/2100 fps. I've read quite a bit about the .357 maximum and thought about doing the same thing myself. But after researching (and comparing) the available .44 mag loads vs the data I found for the .357 maximum, I couldn't see the real world benefit of spending 3-4 times the per round cost for .357 maximum loads to gain a little higher ballistic co-efficient ( when using comparable bullets) that translates to a small gain in energy @ longer ranges (above 150 yards). Throw in the fact that 180 grain .44 special loads are great for young kids to shoot and I felt the .44 was a great all around choice. Other than something different to mess with, what real world benefit am I missing?
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Post by tomthreetoes on Dec 30, 2012 17:08:10 GMT -5
I reload mine so the cost isn't a factor. The max has little recoil and a little flatter trajectory. It boils down to what ever a guy likes. I do think accuracy is easier to come by with the max. JMHO.
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Post by jjas on Dec 30, 2012 17:35:43 GMT -5
I reload mine so the cost isn't a factor. The max has little recoil and a little flatter trajectory. It boils down to what ever a guy likes. I do think accuracy is easier to come by with the max. JMHO. As has been said....."That's why there are Chevys and Fords"....... Thanks for your input and have a good evening.
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